Kids ?

[ukfootballfan101]

I wish we could do things the Arsenal way.

That way we could lose to Fulham, Stoke and Hull too. I wish.

What a load of ****ing bollocks. Vela is good and so is Jack Wilshire. The rest are just decent. Vela was not even trained by Arsenal and neither was Ramsay. Get a grip, judge arsenal by there results ffs not just the mickey mouse cup. How any of those 'Kids' will actually make the grade? Id say no more than 4 and 2 of them were only recently bought by Wenger (Ramsay and Vela)

The guy who is saying close the acadamy and do a full review of our coaches must be smoking some good ****. Rafa has put alot of effort into our youth set-up over the past couple of years and when Insua/Nemeth/Brenu/Simon/Plessis/Gulacsi/Pecheco are ready they will be brought through im sure. They are not ready YET because our senior team is one of the best in the world and that is a hell of a benchmark to reach for the kids.

I think you've just proven you don't know what you're talking about with that comment, Rafa has hardly anything to do with the Academy, he doesn't like how its being ran - just like Houlier didn't

All the players you have mentioned WERE NEVER IN THE ACADEMY. They were all brought in by Rafa and went straight into the reserve team.

I didn't say close the academy I said move it so its on the same site as where the first team play - why don't you read posts before replying to them.

I do agree about the Arsenal thing (wiw), they've taken it to far, they should be mixing their young players with experienced older players, but they don't have enough of them - thats why they don't win anything. But if they get an experienced central midfielder and centre back in January I might be concerned.

[Craig_H]

Our reserves are national champions actually!

I know this, i was talking about kids, not reserves.

I was on about 16 and 17 year olds, not the likes of Lucas and co. None of our kids are likely to make the breakthrough because Rafa hasnt shown many signs of wanting to bring them through. The academy is totally detached from Melwood and most of the kids will move on, after not being given a shot.

Speaking of our reserves - arent they doing utter ****e this season?

[El Jefecito]

I know this, i was talking about kids, not reserves.

I was on about 16 and 17 year olds, not the likes of Lucas and co.

Speaking of our reserves - arent they doing utter ****e this season?

But Arsenal's kids are all bought in and 18-20 the comparison with the academy is off. I don't know of an Arsenal player since Cole that has actually come through their academy. Fabregas, Clichy, Eboue, etc all bought in.

The reserves won 4-1 yesterday, but they have started slow. But it was about this time last year we went on our streak. Given Nemeth is back for the Wigan game, I think there'll be a upturn in our fortunes.

[Guest]

I know this, i was talking about kids, not reserves.

I was on about 16 and 17 year olds, not the likes of Lucas and co. None of our kids are likely to make the breakthrough because Rafa hasnt shown many signs of wanting to bring them through. The academy is totally detached from Melwood and most of the kids will move on, after not being given a shot.

Speaking of our reserves - arent they doing utter ****e this season?

We've got Pacheco, Bruna and plenty of 16/17 year old kids who are as good as Arsenal's. It's just that competition is stronger at LFC.

[ukfootballfan101]

Our reserves are national champions actually!

Who cares if the reserves are national champions? It means nothing. Its more important that the reserve setup functions in such a way that it gives young players the chance to play games on their way to getting in the first team. I would prefer to lose every reserve game if it meant one player a year developed to a standard where they were good enough to play for the first team. Q) How many reserves look like they could claim a regular first team place anytime soon? A) None.

[El Jefecito]

I wish we could do things the Arsenal way.

That way we could lose to Fulham, Stoke and Hull too. I wish.

What a load of ****ing bollocks. Vela is good and so is Jack Wilshire. The rest are just decent. Vela was not even trained by Arsenal and neither was Ramsay. Get a grip, judge arsenal by there results ffs not just the mickey mouse cup. How any of those 'Kids' will actually make the grade? Id say no more than 4 and 2 of them were only recently bought by Wenger (Ramsay and Vela)

The guy who is saying close the acadamy and do a full review of our coaches must be smoking some good ****. Rafa has put alot of effort into our youth set-up over the past couple of years and when Insua/Nemeth/Brenu/Simon/Plessis/Gulacsi/Pecheco are ready they will be brought through im sure. They are not ready YET because our senior team is one of the best in the world and that is a hell of a benchmark to reach for the kids.

There is a back-story to the academy thing. According to those in the know, Parry has seized control of the academy and is running it his way instead of in support of the first team. Hiring his own coaches (e.g. his son), etc etc.

There is now tension between Rafa and Parry and Rafa has got a gob on and is putting players straight into the reserves where he can control them.

Sad but true. I think that is where the poster is coming from though.

BTW We don't often make the distinction, but the academy and the reserves i.e. the lads you mentioned are very different. Rafa has complete control of the reserves, it's just the academy where the problem is.

[Craig_H]

But Arsenal's kids are all bought in and 18-20 the comparison with the academy is off. I don't know of an Arsenal player since Cole that has actually come through their academy. Fabregas, Clichy, Eboue, etc all bought in.

The reserves won 4-1 yesterday, but they have started slow. But it was about this time last year we went on our streak. Given Nemeth is back for the Wigan game, I think there'll be a upturn in our fortunes.

They're not all 18-20, there was a 17 year old and a 16 year old in there too. We've brought in several young players too, but they're either not good enough to play in the 1st team, or rafa's not got enough faith to give them a chance.

You mention Nemeth and he's the kind of player who should be featuring tomorrow night, fitness permitting. You only find out if the kids are good enough by trying them.

[Craig_H]

We've got Pacheco, Bruna and plenty of 16/17 year old kids who are as good as Arsenal's. It's just that competition is stronger at LFC.

Nonsense, we play weaker sides in the league cup but none of them are given a chance.

Name me some of these 'plenty' of 16-17 year olds we've got, who are 'as good' as Arsenal's and would be able to thump Sheff Utd 6-0 and Wigan 3-0.

I suspect 'plenty' is a throwaway term you've used because you probably know no more than about 3 of them.

[Guest]

Who cares if the reserves are national champions? It means nothing. Its more important that the reserve setup functions in such a way that it gives young players the chance to play games on their way to getting in the first team. I would prefer to lose every reserve game if it meant one player a year developed to a standard where they were good enough to play for the first team. Q) How many reserves look like they could claim a regular first team place anytime soon? A) None.

Arsenal's philosophy was implemented 12 years ago. Rafa's been in the job for 4 years.

Stop drooling about youngsters FFS, it's the first team that is important and we're ahead of them at the moment. I also don't doubt that our kids can give them a run for their money.

[Craig_H]

Arsenal's philosophy was implemented 12 years ago. Rafa's been in the job for 4 years.

Stop drooling about youngsters FFS, it's the first team that is important and we're ahead of them at the moment. I also don't doubt that our kids can give them a run for their money.

Wenger bought in Wilshere and Ramsey when they were 4 and 5, did he?

[ukfootballfan101]

There is a back-story to the academy thing. According to those in the know, Parry has seized control of the academy and is running it his way instead of in support of the first team. Hiring his own coaches (e.g. his son), etc etc.

There is now tension between Rafa and Parry and Rafa has got a gob on and is putting players straight into the reserves where he can control them.

Sad but true. I think that is where the poster is coming from though.

BTW We don't often make the distinction, but the academy and the reserves i.e. the lads you mentioned are very different. Rafa has complete control of the reserves, it's just the academy where the problem is.

Thats where I was coming from, I have heard all the things you've mentioned. There is supposed to be a real "jobs for the boys" culture with people being put in place because of who they know not what they know.

This needs sorting out and fast, I bet the club spends millions a year on the academy, and its all money down the drain if players don't get into the first team.

[Guest]

Nonsense, we play weaker sides in the league cup but none of them are given a chance.

Name me some of these 'plenty' of 16-17 year olds we've got, who are 'as good' as Arsenal's and would be able to thump Sheff Utd 6-0 and Wigan 3-0.

I suspect 'plenty' is a throwaway term you've used because you probably know no more than about 3 of them.

Our reserves (made up of a lot of our young kids) just smashed Portsmouth and we're current champions of our league.

So by your analogy, beating Wigan (who can't give a **** about the Carling cup either) or Sheffield Utd is an achievement?

Wake up mate, it's the Carling ****ing cup.

[Guest]

Wenger bought in Wilshere and Ramsey when they were 4 and 5, did he?

Never heard of Wilshere. Is he another Pennant ?

[El Jefecito]

Who cares if the reserves are national champions? It means nothing. Its more important that the reserve setup functions in such a way that it gives young players the chance to play games on their way to getting in the first team. I would prefer to lose every reserve game if it meant one player a year developed to a standard where they were good enough to play for the first team. Q) How many reserves look like they could claim a regular first team place anytime soon? A) None.

I agree with you on the objective of the reserves, but I still think it's nice to be champions and I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing out to someone who said they weren't champions, that they are!

Nemeth could do a job in the first team. That's about it really. But seriously if you are thinking we are going to get one player a year to force a Torres, SG, El Jefecito out of the first team, then I'd suggest you are smoking some good stuff. If we can get an SG or a Torres once every 5 years and an Aurelio / Arbeloa every couple of years then the system will have over-performed relative to the investment.

[Craig_H]

Our reserves (made up of a lot of our young kids) just smashed Portsmouth and we're current champions of our league.

So by your analogy, beating Wigan (who can't give a **** about the Carling cup either) or Sheffield Utd is an achievement?

Wake up mate, it's the Carling ****ing cup.

When you're playing schoolboys, yes it's an achievement. And that's the same Wigan who played their strongest team. Cant give a **** about the Carling Cup? You should try watching the games and seeing how much they care.

The fact that it's the Carling Cup is the crucial point, that's the only time kids can get 1st team experience. Your clueless capacity knows no bounds.

I wasnt talking about reserves, i was talking about kids (for the tenth time), but since you mention the reserves, how are they doing? Where are they in the reserves league?