Gerrard - we'll pay for the lost points later!

[dww]

The guy is such a doom mongerer.

Why can't he be content that we're in the title race at December

I can't help feeling though that the point Stevie makes and those you make in general are subtly different. He says that we can't keep missing opportunities as we have been and you seem to think it is inevitable that this will happen and that is why people feel you are negative.

I'm not sure there is an equivalent for fans of 'taking your eye off the ball' as Stevie puts it. I don't think anyone has been hoping the players are happy with top spot at this stage of the season or indeed has said that this all they ever wanted just that a/ it is cause to be happy and b/ a sign of progress.

[Craig_H]

Where has he said that we will not win the title?

What do you think he means by 'we will pay for lost points later' ?

[Craig_H]

I can't help feeling though that the point Stevie makes and those you make in general are subtly different. He says that we can't keep missing opportunities as we have been and you seem to think it is inevitable that this will happen and that is why people feel you are negative.

I'm not sure there is an equivalent for fans of 'taking your eye off the ball' as Stevie puts it. I don't think anyone has been hoping the players are happy with top spot at this stage of the season or indeed has said that this all they ever wanted just that a/ it is cause to be happy and b/ a sign of progress.

Poor show that, mate.

Sarb's so called 'negativity' is simply displeasure and concern that lost points will cost us. Same as Gerrard's.

[dww]

What do you think he means by 'we will pay for lost points later' ?

But that's not what he said is it? He said something much more nuanced and that was the spin put on it by the journalist.

[Craig_H]

But that's not what he said is it? He said something much more nuanced and that was the spin put on it by the journalist.

What he said was: "“At the moment dropping points like we have been doing at home has not cost us anything. But that is not always going to be the case."

Which is basically the same as saying "It hasnt cost us yet, but it will do"

What different meaning are you taking from it?

[dww]

What he said was: "“At the moment dropping points like we have been doing at home has not cost us anything. But that is not always going to be the case."

Which is basically the same as saying "It hasnt cost us yet, but it will do"

What different meaning are you taking from it?

It depends on how you look at the tense. Either the points we have already dropped have will be the difference or alternatively that we can't keep loosing points in a similar fashion at home. I think the later is the more accurate interpretation and the one that is key to the point Fredo was making.

[Neil Young]

It depends on how you look at the tense. Either the points we have already dropped have will be the difference or alternatively that we can't keep loosing points in a similar fashion at home. I think the later is the more accurate interpretation and the one that is key to the point Fredo was making.

It's far more straightforward to interpret Gerrard's comments as saying that dropping points at home hasn't cost us but if we continue to do so in future it will.

The other interpretation is that he's referring to the points we have already dropped not counting now but counting in the future. That's a weird concept and as already discussed there's no way he, like any of us, can know that.

[dww]

It's far more straightforward to interpret Gerrard's comments as saying that dropping points at home hasn't cost us but if we continue to do so in future it will.

The other interpretation is that he's referring to the points we have already dropped not counting now but counting in the future. That's a weird concept and as already discussed there's no way he, like any of us, can know that.

I think we agree - at least we do in my head. I'm beginning to think that there are really only two conversations happening in all the open football threads - this one and whether Babel should play up front.

[Neil Young]

I think we agree - at least we do in my head. I'm beginning to think that there are really only two conversations happening in all the open football threads - this one and whether Babel should play up front.

True.

Yes we do.

[BFG]

I can't help feeling though that the point Stevie makes and those you make in general are subtly different. He says that we can't keep missing opportunities as we have been and you seem to think it is inevitable that this will happen and that is why people feel you are negative.

I'm not sure there is an equivalent for fans of 'taking your eye off the ball' as Stevie puts it. I don't think anyone has been hoping the players are happy with top spot at this stage of the season or indeed has said that this all they ever wanted just that a/ it is cause to be happy and b/ a sign of progress.

I read Gerrard's comments as being quite positive. He's saying we've got away with a bad little run but we need to get our house in order now because we won't have that luxury in the future. Completely different to some of the opinions that cause heated debate on here.

[Craig_H]

It depends on how you look at the tense. Either the points we have already dropped have will be the difference or alternatively that we can't keep loosing points in a similar fashion at home. I think the later is the more accurate interpretation and the one that is key to the point Fredo was making.

Well they're all the same, whether they've already been lost, or whether they're in danger of being lost further down the line.

But yes, i agree that as things stand, the damage done isnt fatal, but the worry is that it's happened in 3 home games already, and we've only played 8. So we've failed to score in 37.5% of our home games in the league and this cannot continue. The big concern is that, based on recent evidence, it's likely to happen again at least 2 or 3 more times.

Remember what killed us last year? Because it wasnt the 4 defeats.

I read Gerrard's comments as being quite positive. He's saying we've got away with a bad little run but we need to get our house in order now because we won't have that luxury in the future. Completely different to some of the opinions that cause heated debate on here.

Do you really think so? I think that's basically what Sarb's been saying too, same as what Gerrard has said and what you're all agreeing with.

[Neil Young]

The big concern is that, based on recent evidence, it's likely to happen again at least 2 or 3 more times.

This is the fundamental difference between you and Sarb (among others) and dww and me (ditto).

Gerrard's comments suggest he intends to make it so that you can't extrapolate from "recent evidence." Of course that doesn't mean he and the team will be successful but it does show why it's all but meaningless to use the recent results to predict the rest of the season.

I mean, before we lost to Spurs no-one thought we were going to go unbeaten for the whole season yet that's what "recent evidence" would have suggested.

[Craig_H]

This is the fundamental difference between you and Sarb (among others) and dww and me (ditto).

Gerrard's comments suggest he intends to make it so that you can't extrapolate from "recent evidence." Of course that doesn't mean he and the team will be successful but it does show why it's all but meaningless to use the recent results to predict the rest of the season.

I mean, before we lost to Spurs no-one thought we were going to go unbeaten for the whole season yet that's what "recent evidence" would have suggested.

I'm not using the recent results to 'predict the rest of the season', mr tabloid journalist style take what i said and change it.

I'm merely looking at this trend & everything else i see, and saying that i think it could be likely to happen a couple more times. I'm not saying we're going to draw 3 out of every 8 home games, but looking at all the evidence (not just the recent results), would you be able to rule out the prospect that it'll probably happen a few more times this season? I didnt say it'll definitely happen, but it's a big concern to me. There's definitely a hint of us struggling to break down teams who put men behind the ball at Anfield. It's not my imagination, it's what is actually happening in the real world. If you're convinced it's not a problem and we wont struggle to break teams down much, tell me what you base it on.

Wasnt it you that put on another post today, how you hate it when people assume they know what others are thinking and meaning? In which case, dont do it yourself.

[blacky]

The guy is such a doom mongerer.

Why can't he be content that we're in the title race at December

Makes a nice change Sarb usually yer the doom mongerer !!

[Craig_H]

Makes a nice change Sarb usually yer the doom mongerer !!

oh dear