Why are we so negative?

[Elvoz]

Anfield won't be empty while we're a top team.

And I think Liverpool fans have a certain arrogance, the idea that we make a huge difference to whether we win or not. I'm sorry, but a december game against Hull would never have created an atmosphere to stir the soul. We a famous for the atmosphere in big games, and realistically, it's always been that way bar a good singalong before kickoff. You glamourised view of the past is based on what is bordering on a myth, a myth we perpetuate because we think it puts us in a good light.

I do not condone booing, or women at matches but football has changed and we are not immune.

good post and spot on

[Guest]

i love the lads who watch it on telly then tell everyone how to behave in the ground



ok fredo i,ll try to follow your lead

This statement really pisses me off big time. I live 7000 miles from Anfield FFS and if I had the chance I would be there week in week out. I've supported the team all my life and defended them through thick and thin.

From what I see you are easy on the criticism but you don't seem to know a great deal about football and how it has improved on a tactical level these days and that no games are easy.

Come again with a more elaborate argument then I'll discuss with you. You haven't done that at all but instead preferred pissing on people's chips by dismissing some statements without bringing anything yourself.

I can' t remember the Liverpool of the 80's winning the league and drawing home vs the likes of Stoke and Fulham. Perhaps it was in 1990 when we won the league with only 79 points.

Again playing 4-5-1 is not that bad, but remember we wanted to score and Rafa only tried to change the game' s plan in the last minutes. Giving Babel 8 minutes and not playing a 20 million striker when we wanted a goal!!! What wa he thinking?

Was he expecting a goal from Mascherano?

He had offensive players to choose from and he opted to leave them on the bench.

That is why some of us are so negative.

The game has changed.

[Guest]

i cant argue if you want to start with the shanks turning in his grave stuff mate
i just find it absolute bollocks and it pisses me off

Then tell me why it's absolute bollocks then???

[PTP]

I can' t remember the Liverpool of the 80's winning the league and drawing home vs the likes of Stoke and Fulham. Perhaps it was in 1990 when we won the league with only 79 points.

Again playing 4-5-1 is not that bad, but remember we wanted to score and Rafa only tried to change the game' s plan in the last minutes. Giving Babel 8 minutes and not playing a 20 million striker when we wanted a goal!!! What wa he thinking?

Was he expecting a goal from Mascherano?

He had offensive players to choose from and he opted to leave them on the bench.

That is why some of us are so negative.

aye thats the point i was trying to get across - i honestly think 4-5-1 is our best formation when we have the right personel, or we are playing in a tough game

----------------------riena-------

arbeloa---JC---any of the other three-----aurelio

-------------mascher-----Alonso

Kuyt--------------Gerrard-------------Babel/Riera

------------------Torres----------------------



for me that is our best XI and best set up - but without torres, we have to be flexible enough to change the set up - we have seen keane and kuyt tryy that role and fail - thats not there fault, only world class superstars are effective as a lone striker. - So thats what frustrates me the most, when at home, we play 4-5-1 when we need to break teams down - tho bizzarley, our best home game this season, certainly the best performence - was united at home - and what set up did we play!!!! - we started with Keane/Kuyt up front and between the two of them we caused their defence problems and won!!! - thats what has really annoyed me most this season at home - it's ok playing one man up front on his own if that man is torres!!!! - but when he is out we should be able ti change the sysytem and play two up top.

[Kenneth]

Then tell me why it's absolute bollocks then???

Because you have no ****ing idea what he would think and you are not a spokes person for him.

[Reece]

tho bizzarley, our best home game this season, certainly the best performence - was united at home - and what set up did we play!!!!

Do you think we would have done so had Gerrard been fit? I'm not sure - I think we would have seen 4-5-1/4-3-3 whatever you want to call it.

[babylon]

I disagree that we are so negative as a team (Or are you talking about people on this forum). All 4 top teams drawing against comparable sides this weekend. What are the stats like? Not that dissimilar. Scum, Chavs and arse are what you would describe as attacking teams, no? I think if you could be arsed to look at the stats from all matches this season you would probably find a similar comparison.

If you open up too much then you leave yourelf exposed. I doubt we would be top of the table if we took a more attacking approach. It is a combination of teamwork, more clinical finishing from across the whole team and players fulfilling their defensive responsibilities that has got us to the top of the league. Oh.. and of course, a little bit of luck as well.

Against Hull (who believe it or not are a fantastic side at the moment)
21 goal attempts
9 on target
8 corners

Chelsea against West Ham (a lesser side than Hull in my opinion)
20 goal attempts
12 on target
9 corners

Scum against spurs

16 goal attempts
12 on target
14 corners

Arse against Boro
17 goal attempts
11 on target
10 corners

[Guest]

Because you have no ****ing idea what he would think and you are not a spokes person for him.

He would have been delighted by the way 'supporters' go on about their business those days then. No passion, no desire to get involved and generally just wanting a good day out.

Great stuff and carry on.

[dww]

aye thats the point i was trying to get across - i honestly think 4-5-1 is our best formation when we have the right personel, or we are playing in a tough game

----------------------riena-------

arbeloa---JC---any of the other three-----aurelio

-------------mascher-----Alonso

Kuyt--------------Gerrard-------------Babel/Riera

------------------Torres----------------------



for me that is our best XI and best set up - but without torres, we have to be flexible enough to change the set up - we have seen keane and kuyt tryy that role and fail - thats not there fault, only world class superstars are effective as a lone striker. - So thats what frustrates me the most, when at home, we play 4-5-1 when we need to break teams down - tho bizzarley, our best home game this season, certainly the best performence - was united at home - and what set up did we play!!!! - we started with Keane/Kuyt up front and between the two of them we caused their defence problems and won!!! - thats what has really annoyed me most this season at home - it's ok playing one man up front on his own if that man is torres!!!! - but when he is out we should be able ti change the sysytem and play two up top.

I just think this is rubbish. It does require other players to help out but you can be a successful loan striker without being a world class talent. Keane and Kuyt both require people running past them from midfield - I largely blame the midfield for our impotence at times when they are up front.

The argument for switching formation sooner is in many ways sound. I'm not sure that it is a great formation against the packed defense unless we have a target man.

[Elvoz]

He would have been delighted by the way 'supporters' go on about their business those days then. No passion, no desire to get involved and generally just wanting a good day out.

Great stuff and carry on.

jesus mate keep digging
so now you dont go the games but know the atmosphere inside the ground
think every fan is after a day out and boos and has no pssion for the club

[PTP]

Anfield won't be empty while we're a top team.

And I think Liverpool fans have a certain arrogance, the idea that we make a huge difference to whether we win or not. I'm sorry, but a december game against Hull would never have created an atmosphere to stir the soul. We a famous for the atmosphere in big games, and realistically, it's always been that way bar a good singalong before kickoff, at least for a couple of decades. You glamourised view of the past is based on what is bordering on a myth, a myth we perpetuate because we think it puts us in a good light.

I do not condone booing, or women at matches but football has changed and we are not immune.

but to be fair - once we went two nil down - the atmopshere was electric - the whole kop were on their feet - in fact the whole ground was, it seemed to wake the players up two cause before anyone blinked it was 2-2 - the atmosphere stayed this way until the game just seemed to die and filter away if that makes sense - i believe if rafa had made one or two changes at half time, say keane or babel on to support kuyt and gone 4-4-2, the crowd were still up for it, and we would have gone at them - what happend was, the team appeared to lack any ambition or drive to go for the win, this caused the up for it crowd to become restless, as excitment and passion turned to frustration, and rafa left it too let or appeared to make defensive changes

[Guest]

I just think this is rubbish. It does require other players to help out but you can be a successful loan striker without being a world class talent. Keane and Kuyt both require people running past them from midfield - I largely blame the midfield for our impotence at times when they are up front.

The argument for switching formation sooner is in many ways sound. I'm not sure that it is a great formation against the packed defense unless we have a target man.

I think that if it wasn't for the silly mistakes for both of Hull's goals on Saturday we would have won fairly easily. I don't think the formation didn't work because we still created chances and scored two goals. We left ourselves with a mountain to climb and it seemed we played with a really high tempo in the first half and ran out a bit out of steam in the second half.

If only Babel could become more consistent and Keane improving his confidence a bit would have had two excellent players to share the load. The whole formation and team tactics depend on players performing also and not all of them are doing so, that is probably why we've faltered a bit at home lately, where more creativity and more movement are needed to break off teams.

[Guest]

jesus mate keep digging
so now you dont go the games but know the atmosphere inside the ground
think every fan is after a day out and boos and has no pssion for the club

Why didn't you reply to my question; instead you prefer to make petty remarks to suit your agenda.

I'm off; enjoy the bickering.

[Matt]

You may think I'm being a bit pedantic here, but you missed out a "****in" here!!

Good spot!

It's got a bit heated for a Monday morning.

[PTP]

Do you think we would have done so had Gerrard been fit? I'm not sure - I think we would have seen 4-5-1/4-3-3 whatever you want to call it.

possibly, who knows - but imo, for us, playing for thre 4-5-1 with gerrard behind torres, works regardless of who it's against or at home or away, it's seems to be our best set up - take either gerrard or torres out of that, and we seem to struggle, which is fair enough, take gerrard/torres out of any team in the world and they would struggle

for me, we need to be able to adapt/change the set up if or when torres/gerrard are not available cause kuyt/babel/keane/ngog can't play the lone striker role at all to any effect. - i just don't see why don't play 4-4-2 at home