Which would you choose

[Craig_H]

Chelsea do not have £8 Billion. Abramovich does (ish - the value of his assets is falling).

He has not given them any money, he has lent it to them, albeit interest free. It has to be paid back, but they are still operating at a loss.

Paying for transfers in instalments is normal practice.

I don't know why you are singling out LFC. The arguments you give are the same for practically all clubs.

Do you really think Chelsea will pay Abramovich back that money? Cloud cuckoo land.

I dont know why you dont get it. Our owners loan was due to be repayed at the end of this month - they cannot repay it. Either their loan period is extended, or the club goes into administration.

Unless the Glazers are required to repay their loan imminently, there's no risk of administration for United. With every home game, they're earning £2m more than we do and this money enables them to be in a position whereby they can comfortably service their debt.

Same scenario with Arsenal. They may be restricted in their transfer spending, but they are not at any current realistic threat of administration.

[Craig_H]

And we dont?

What are you on?

We dont have the same match-day revenue generating opportunities as Arsenal and Man Utd do.

That's a fact.

[Woobus]

Dont think Arsenal are in the best of shapes either. I hear they probably wont sell out on Saturday and a lot of fans are refusing to pay the high costs for poor seating and woeful football. They also have a real possibility of missing out on Champs League this year which will truely screw them.
Not to sure our loan is a crippling as people make out, surely with interest rates at the lowest in 300 years it wont be as much interest as everyone is making out. Or does anyone know if there was a fixed rate on the interest?

[Craig_H]

Dont think Arsenal are in the best of shapes either. I hear they probably wont sell out on Saturday and a lot of fans are refusing to pay the high costs for poor seating and woeful football. They also have a real possibility of missing out on Champs League this year which will truely screw them.
Not to sure our loan is a crippling as people make out, surely with interest rates at the lowest in 300 years it wont be as much interest as everyone is making out. Or does anyone know if there was a fixed rate on the interest?

The problem with our loan isnt so much the interest, it's the fact that it was negotiated to be repaid on January 25th - and H&G cant actually repay it.

As for Arsenal, their next game is sold out and none of their home league games go to general sale, it's members only. And Arsenal - woeful football?

[Woobus]

The problem with our loan isnt so much the interest, it's the fact that it was negotiated to be repaid on January 25th - and H&G cant actually repay it.

As for Arsenal, their next game is sold out and none of their home league games go to general sale, it's members only. And Arsenal - woeful football?

Have you watched Arsenal much this season? They play some nice football but for large parts of matches I have watched they just get bullied of the ball and have no fight. Really wouldnt say they have played too much great football this season.
Few of the Arsenal sites from Newsnow are saying that tickets are still on sale for 5 of the upper tiers (I know they normally have empty seats due to the season ticket thintg, but they all say this is different from that). They are all ranting and raving about having to pay 60 quid, not being able to see ****, no atmosphere in the upper tiers and their team playing crap football.

[Craig_H]

Have you watched Arsenal much this season? They play some nice football but for large parts of matches I have watched they just get bullied of the ball and have no fight. Really wouldnt say they have played too much great football this season.
Few of the Arsenal sites from Newsnow are saying that tickets are still on sale for 5 of the upper tiers (I know they normally have empty seats due to the season ticket thintg, but they all say this is different from that). They are all ranting and raving about having to pay 60 quid, not being able to see ****, no atmosphere in the upper tiers and their team playing crap football.

As much as the arsenal sites say what they're saying, i'm inclined to trust their official website - which has the game as sold out.

As for the football they play. Nah sorry, i'm not having that. Woeful football? Nope. Weak on the ball, perhaps but when they put it together, they still play the best footie in england.

[Woobus]

The problem with our loan isnt so much the interest, it's the fact that it was negotiated to be repaid on January 25th - and H&G cant actually repay it.

Did they not just get a 6 month extension? There is nothing to say they wont get another extension especially if we do well in the league this year. I reckon as long as we can guarantee the repayments then I dont think it will be a huge hassle.

[dom9]

Do you really think Chelsea will pay Abramovich back that money? Cloud cuckoo land.

I dont know why you dont get it. Our owners loan was due to be repayed at the end of this month - they cannot repay it. Either their loan period is extended, or the club goes into administration.

Unless the Glazers are required to repay their loan imminently, there's no risk of administration for United. With every home game, they're earning £2m more than we do and this money enables them to be in a position whereby they can comfortably service their debt.

Same scenario with Arsenal. They may be restricted in their transfer spending, but they are not at any current realistic threat of administration.

It was only ever a short term loan, to be refinanced this year. The credit crunch has changed that, and the current terms extended. That is common sense on the bank's part.

Administration is not on the aganda. Not sure where you got that from.

It's a shame that drama queen Tom isn't still posting. I'm sure he'd rather we get relegated than have anotrther minute with the current owners.

[Craig_H]

Did they not just get a 6 month extension? There is nothing to say they wont get another extension especially if we do well in the league this year. I reckon as long as we can guarantee the repayments then I dont think it will be a huge hassle.

All it takes is for the banks to reject one extension application, and we're ****ed. That's kinda the point of why it's so precarious. Arsenal and United arent in that boat.

[Craig_H]

It was only ever a short term loan, to be refinanced this year. The credit crunch has changed that, and the current terms extended. That is common sense on the bank's part.

Administration is not on the aganda. Not sure where you got that from.

It's a shame that drama queen Tom isn't still posting. I'm he'd rather we get relegated than have anotrther minute with the current owners.

What happens then if, in the current climate of financial uncertainty, the banks decide not to approve the next extension and decide they want their money back (which they could do)?

G&H wont have it and wont be able to repay it - so what will the banks do then? Just say 'oh well, dont worry about it lads' ?

[Woobus]

As much as the arsenal sites say what they're saying, i'm inclined to trust their official website - which has the game as sold out.

As for the football they play. Nah sorry, i'm not having that. Woeful football? Nope. Weak on the ball, perhaps but when they put it together, they still play the best footie in england.

The boy who writes for this site seems to disagree, well there was still tickets on Wednesday night.

http://www.arsepod.co.uk/2008/2009/01/07/arsenal-home-league-game-not-looking-like-a-sell-out-for-first-time-in-yonks/

Arsenal risk not selling out Emirates for a Saturday 3pm
WHAT does or does not constitute a sell-out at the Emirates has been oft debated of late, with empty seats still producing 60,000 gates.

But not even Arsenal.com is claiming the Bolton game at the weekend as a sell-out. As of tonight (Wednesday), the official web site is still showing seats available in five blocks, all priced at £46.

Strangely, the game does not appear to have been put on General Sale. Obviously, the current economic climate coupled with the usual January money worries and our team’s less than exceptional form have likely brought the situation on.

But it’s still surprising for a non-televised game at such a social hour.

I suspect, however, more than anything, that it is a case of the tickets in question simply being poor value for the view and atmosphere afforded. I pointed out over a year ago how such a steep price to sit near the back of the upper tier seemed at odds with perfectly decent seats in the lower tier being sold for £32.

Before I borrowed a season ticket for this season, I for one would have been one of those people who would have bulked at paying £46 for Bolton and instead would have set myself a reminder to snap up a better value ticket for the next game as soon as they went on sale.

63 Responses to “Arsenal risk not selling out Emirates for a Saturday 3pm”

[Craig_H]

It's a speculative article - 'risk not selling out'. No actual substance that they HAVENT sold out.

And, again i'll say it - their own website has the next game as sold out. Why would they do that if it wasnt? Do they not want to sell tickets?

http://www.arsenal.com/match-menu/3004374/first-team/arsenal-v-bolton-wanderers?tab=tickets

[dom9]

We dont have the same match-day revenue generating opportunities as Arsenal and Man Utd do.

That's a fact.

I was answering the point, which implied that LFC does not know what it's incom will be, which of course is nonsense.

[Craig_H]

I was answering the point, which implied that LFC does not know what it's incom will be, which of course is nonsense.

What about my question about what happens if the banks decide not to refinance and say they want the debt repaid?

[Woobus]

What happens then if, in the current climate of financial uncertainty, the banks decide not to approve the next extension and decide they want their money back (which they could do)?

G&H wont have it and wont be able to repay it - so what will the banks do then? Just say 'oh well, dont worry about it lads' ?

Its the same as worrying if you are going to get hit by a car if you go out, could happen but why get into a panic about it. I think the only way they would have turned the loan down was if it looked like we couldnt make the repayments (which we can and should be a lot less than expected) or if another buyer was interested.
I want rid of them as well, but dont see the point of scaremongering when we know very little of what is actually happening.
You seem to want to believe the worst and then reject the possible good news of a third investor.