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    #16
    Yeah, it's hilarious tony. I'm chuffed at our struggles to win games.

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      #17
      Err, because benitez is a defensive manager and his team is full of defensive players, obviously. Silly question.

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        #18
        The original question also falls into the catagory of "Why do we fanny about with the ball across the back 4 inviting errors to let the opposition score"?

        Tonight's game to me was crying out for the old saying that "Attack is the best form of defence".

        You are right though, we do often go for it within the last 10 mins (when behind). Players instinct I suppose. Forget the 30 minute clipboard talk of how the game should pan out!
        # Fernando Torres, Liverpool's number 9 #

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          #19
          Originally posted by Joe King View Post
          Its quite a good point. Its a combination of things - the lack of freedom from Benitez would have vanished, the fans get on the players back, the opposing team sits back and allow us to have the ball.

          Its a problem and its why we need to have better ball players in the side with urgency and sharpness to play in the side.
          You've summed it up to a t there man. I'm sure Rafa hates watching the team play just as much as we do.

          We need some creative players now and we'll be complete. We should have bid for arse having while we had the chance.
          Klopp on LFC vs MUFC (March 9th 2016) - "This is why I love football. This is why we watched it when we were young. I can still not have enough of it."


          Always, keep your face to the sun, and shadows will fall behind you.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Slinky Skills View Post
            We need some creative players now and we'll be complete
            do you really believe that? would rafa ever allow creative players in his robotic system? I know he had Aimar at Valencia but we are rarely linked to these type players. Benni would have been better playing in the Gerrard position today since he drifts in anyway.
            Always borrow money from a pessimist. He won’t expect it back. Oscar Wilde

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              #21
              Originally posted by BobTheCharmer View Post
              do you really believe that? would rafa ever allow creative players in his robotic system? I know he had Aimar at Valencia but we are rarely linked to these type players. Benni would have been better playing in the Gerrard position today since he drifts in anyway.

              Of course I believe it!


              Rafa was somewhat lucky in that he inherited an already great team from Hector Cuper but he still got them to tick and play decent football. Rafa knows what players we need but he just doesn't have the cash to get who he really wants. I'm sure he would have looked at someone like Arshavin but by the time he had the money he'd already agreed to sign for Arsenal. Another thing we have to look at is, do these players really want to sign for us??

              At the end of the day none of us have a ****ing clue what's going on in the background. For all we know Rafa could be trying to sign some of the best players on the planet albeit on a **** budget which means he ends up not buying his number one target(s).

              Before anyone starts saying he's had x & y amount of cash to spend on players. Yes he has but he's had to gradually build a team over time on a set amount of cash. He knows a quality player when he sees one, hence why he never drops Gerrard, Reina, Carragher, Torres.
              Klopp on LFC vs MUFC (March 9th 2016) - "This is why I love football. This is why we watched it when we were young. I can still not have enough of it."


              Always, keep your face to the sun, and shadows will fall behind you.

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                #22
                Why doesnt he sign some creative players then?

                Why the obsession with defensive midfielders?

                Why not go for Arshavin?

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
                  Why doesnt he sign some creative players then?
                  A tad unfair, case in point being Torres, Garcia, Benayoun, Riera

                  Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
                  Why the obsession with defensive midfielders?
                  Yup, got me there

                  Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
                  Why not go for Arshavin?
                  This has been bugging me too. Allegedly Arshavin was touted around Premiership sides when Arsenal were playing silly buggers over his fee. If that was the case, and we were getting cash for Robbie, was it REALLY too late to do a deal??
                  I saw a dead fish on the pavement and thought "what did you expect?"
                  There's no water round here stupid, should have stayed where it was wet

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Craig_H View Post
                    Why doesnt he sign some creative players then?

                    Why the obsession with defensive midfielders?

                    Why not go for Arshavin?
                    He has tried?

                    It's (imo) the most important part of the pitch in modern football. I think he's happy with what he has now anyway?

                    He obviously didn't want him? We're skint?
                    Sack swinging like Dub-D40 on a door hinge

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                      #25
                      Have been saying the same thing for ages. I think often we go out and spend the first 20-30mins seeing how the opposition are set up with no intention of trying to win the game in this period and as long as it stays 0-0 we stay like that, if w get a goal we stay like that longer.

                      I think the problem with playing like that is that it's dificult to up the tempo from a slow start, it's always easier to slow down later on and that's where I think we go wrong.

                      When we go behind we have nothing to lose anymore, so can play with more freedom, when we get back on level terms we can go on to win because we've built up that momentum. In the games were we don't go behind the tempo only gets increased when it's still 0-0 after 75-80mins and panic sets in, by then it's too late. We need to set about teams from the start of games!!
                      The only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by wiw View Post
                        He has tried?

                        It's (imo) the most important part of the pitch in modern football. I think he's happy with what he has now anyway?

                        He obviously didn't want him? We're skint?
                        We shouldn't be skint we have the money we got for Keane

                        Unless the Yanks are taking it out of the kitty
                        The only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Exiled_red View Post
                          We shouldn't be skint we have the money we got for Keane

                          Unless the Yanks are taking it out of the kitty
                          There's talk that we took out an extra loan in the summer to pay for Keane (http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/...780#msg5349780)
                          Sack swinging like Dub-D40 on a door hinge

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by wiw View Post
                            There's talk that we took out an extra loan in the summer to pay for Keane (http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/...780#msg5349780)

                            FFS if that's true we're in real trouble thanks to Hicks and Gillette
                            The only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it; if you can't ignore it, top it; if you can't top it, laugh at it; if you can't laugh at it, it's probably deserved.

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                              #29
                              Can someone tell my why you let DJS back in?!


                              Hello Syd. :bird:
                              --== Because the gang and the government is no different ==--

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Nic83 View Post
                                Err, because benitez is a defensive manager and his team is full of defensive players, obviously. Silly question.
                                Did you come back on here to purely post ****?
                                "When a man insults my country I insult him, by taking his woman" Tony Yeboah

                                "looking through your posts since 2007 and what you have consistently written about my football team I have come to the conclusion that if you had 1 more brain cell you would be a plant .. your father was a hamster and your mother smells of elder berries, I fart in your general direction ..." Nicey

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