Rafa's 'facts' (January rant)

[Craig_H]

Hmmm. I'm not sure about specific incidents but in my opinion Fergie has wielded undue influence over the disciplinary procedures in this country for a while now. Rafa's views were right when he said them and right now. The only difference I see on the pitch or off is that now one or two journalists are willing to agree.

I do agree about Fergie but i think big clubs tend to get decisions, not just them.

[Dhav]

Yeah he did say that, as it goes. And i'd agree. But there's definitely a level of foul, rightly or wrongly, where the officials dont give them in the box, but would do outside.

A penalty is a big call but yes, i would agree that they're bigger calls against the home side at OT. But also at Anfield, Stamford Bridge and the Emirates IMO.

I agree with the bit in bold, although I would add that giving a pen against the home side at OT is a bigger deal than doing so at Anfield, Stamford Bridge and Emirates, if only because of the fuss that the Mancs kick up when one is given against them, and I've given two examples of that earlier in thread.

I also agree that there are degrees of fouls, as you have suggested, although it is really nonsensical that there is.

[G]

I do agree about Fergie but i think big clubs tend to get decisions, not just them.

At the start of last season or the season before we got a whole spate of penalties against us in the first 6 or 7 games,some correct,some poor.

United get more favourable decisions for sure,especially at home.

Styles would never have given that piss poor one against chelsea if it was at old toilet.

And no one incident dosent prove a conspiracy but like i say we all know its not the only one,apart from you of course,but its the only one I can remember right now,along with the vidic one mentioned above.

It is a certainty that Slur's own well placed comments and rants have had too much influence,how much thats helped his team one can only wonder but it has helped,of that there is no doubt.Its good to see some journos now prepared to highlight it.

All we need now is the ref's to call them right,wherever they happen,I won't hold my breath though

[Craig_H]

At the start of last season or the season before we got a whole spate of penalties against us in the first 6 or 7 games,some correct,some poor.

United get more favourable decisions for sure,especially at home.

Styles would never have given that piss poor one against chelsea if it was at old toilet.

And no one incident dosent prove a conspiracy but like i say we all know its not the only one,apart from you of course,but its the only one I can remember right now,along with the vidic one mentioned above.

It is a certainty that Slur's own well placed comments and rants have had too much influence,how much thats helped his team one can only wonder but it has helped,of that there is no doubt.Its good to see some journos now prepared to highlight it.

All we need now is the ref's to call them right,wherever they happen,I won't hold my breath though

Is there any real need for 'apart from you of course' kind of comments? I mean seriously, grow up.

You say 'we all know its not the only one' but yet cannot name any others.

I too know it's not the only one, but they're not as numerous as you imply.

The simple fact is, most sides dont spend much time in United's box at OT so it's obvious that there wont be so many pens given against them.

[G]

Is there any real need for 'apart from you of course' kind of comments? I mean seriously, grow up.

I don't like you,what can i say.You come across as arrogant.You have an incessant need to always be right and will argue all day long til the other person gives up.Maybe you should ignore my posts instead of always picking me up like you seem to do.I don't think you can though so I'll try ignore you

You say 'we all know its not the only one' but yet cannot name any others.

Yeah cos I don't watch them and log the bad decisions given against their opponents,thought I said that already.

I too know it's not the only one, but they're not as numerous as you imply.

I've never made any mention of how numerous they may or may not be.I did however point out that be it one or ten if its a pen and its not given then its wrong and none in 2 years would seem to indicate they get more decisions their way than any other team

The simple fact is, most sides dont spend much time in United's box at OT so it's obvious that there wont be so many pens given against them.

I agree but some teams do attack and some teams do get bad decisions against them,especially at OT.Not to mention the dubious peno's the scum sometimes get in their favour

[Craig_H]

All of your points could apply to most big clubs, really.

Oh...and i love you too. :whatever:

[dww]

I do agree about Fergie but i think big clubs tend to get decisions, not just them.

I'd certainly agree that all big teams get more decisions. I would, however, suggest that United have had the best of the long term decisions and Fergie has escaped from more attacks on the FA than the manager of any other team without sanction.

[DannyMan2006]

All of your points could apply to most big clubs, really.

Oh...and i love you too. :whatever:

More so to United mate. Your question asking him to name incidents is fair enough, but did you seriously expect him to remember specific incidents? I can't think of a blatantly off-side goal from any team counting in the prem - but there have been shed loads.

Had we had the same joy with the refs we would have been far better of down the years. Though in all honesty when they have won the league it's cos they had the best squad, not cos they got the decisions.

[Craig_H]

More so to United mate. Your question asking him to name incidents is fair enough, but did you seriously expect him to remember specific incidents? I can't think of a blatantly off-side goal from any team counting in the prem - but there have been shed loads.

Had we had the same joy with the refs we would have been far better of down the years. Though in all honesty when they have won the league it's cos they had the best squad, not cos they got the decisions.

Surely if there have been so many, one could think of a few?

I just think if you're so emphatic with the point you're making, it needs to be something you can substatiate - and he clearly cant.

[DannyMan2006]

Surely if there have been so many, one could think of a few?

I just think if you're so emphatic with the point you're making, it needs to be something you can substatiate - and he clearly cant.

The big decisions that gifted Manchester United the Premier League title

Sir Alex's men beat Wigan 2-0 at the JJB to seal their tenth title in 16 seasons - but their victory was certainly not without controversy.

by Sam Dalton on 13 May 2008

Referee Steve Bennett undoubtedly had a terrible first half at the JJB on Sunday, in which he made two unbelievable decisions in Manchester United’s favour, and also awarded a very debatable penalty against Wigan.

With the match goalless after 25 minutes, Rio Ferdinand blatantly blocked a Jason Koumas shot with his upper arm; however, Bennett, in pole position, bottled it and instead awarded only a corner to Wigan. Maybe he knew how much the game meant to United, and that's why he didn’t hand the home side an opportunity to take the lead!

If Wigan had put away the penalty they certainly deserved, then the title could well have ended up in London rather than Manchester. What we definitely know is that it would have been a very different game.

'Manchester United were then gifted a much less obvious penalty when Wayne Rooney tumbled inside the box'

United were then gifted a much less obvious penalty when Wayne Rooney tumbled inside the box. And only moments later, Paul Scholes, already on a yellow card, was for some reason not dismissed by Bennett after clearly blocking off Wilson Palacios when the ball had long gone.

I know, over the course of the campaign, that United have probably deserved the Premier League crown. But the title battle should have been much more interesting and exciting on the final afternoon.

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Quick search on google for you Craig.

http://www.sportingo.com/football/a8623_big-decisions-that-gifted-manchester-united-premier-league-title

[Craig_H]

I thought it was about people not getting pens at Old Trafford?

[rudedog]

also from google

Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho turned up the heat in the Premiership title battle by claiming it appears to be "forbidden" to award penalties against Manchester United at Old Trafford.
Middlesbrough looked to have strong claims for a penalty towards the end of their 1-1 draw with United at Old Trafford last night when John O'Shea brought down South Korean striker Lee Dong-Gook

And Sheffield United manager Neil Warnock also felt his side had been denied a blatant penalty during United's 2-0 home win in midweek when Luton Shelton was felled from behind by Gabriel Heinze.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-449967/Mourinho-questions-Uniteds-penalty-escapes.html

[Craig_H]

So how many is that over how long a period of time?

[DannyMan2006]

I thought it was about people not getting pens at Old Trafford?

Second bit in bold mate. But it's more about the ref being in Fergies pocket - which started the whole rafa rant in the first place.

Mind talking of pens I can't help but remember the Malouda incident with LFC............

[G]

Surely if there have been so many, one could think of a few?

I just think if you're so emphatic with the point you're making, it needs to be something you can substatiate - and he clearly cant.

I can lad,Blackburn and yesterday.

2 instances that substantiate the point that they get favourable decisions which is all I've said in this thread.I didnt make an "emphatic" argument that the get "so many" but then thats your style,introduce things into the argument that nobody ever said to try back up your point.I do however believe,and it appears I'm not the only one in this thread,that they get more than their fair share,how many other teams haven't concede one in 2 years at home.And no I can't think of any more specifics nor do I need to.I'm not looking for your approval of my opinion,like I said dispute what you like,I really don't give a **** if you agree or not,your not that important to me.I don't have a need for everyone else to think I'm right.

So to be clear.I said I believe they get more than others,as 2 years would seem to suggest.Really emphatic that point is.

I'm off to bed now. You'll have get your kicks having a pop at someone else's opinion cos they ridiculously have a different point of view to you.Shame on them.