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    #16
    Hm he already had that though? I don't know what it is exactly, I can't put my finger on it, but he just seems even better lately
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      #17
      Originally posted by wiw View Post


      Another player that Rafa has somehow made that slight bit better

      How so?

      I dont believe Rafa can claim to have made any players better, maybe Carra.

      I reckon Rafa shackles some players.

      Sami was unstoppable since he first joined.
      In the beginning, Fowler created the Heaven and the Earth.

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        #18
        Originally posted by wiw View Post
        Hm he already had that though? I don't know what it is exactly, I can't put my finger on it, but he just seems even better lately
        I felt especially under Houllier, he really didn't have the same ability to read the situation. He would step up too early consequently exposing the space behind him, misjudge through balls, not communicate enough. That has helped with Carragher being with him, especially the latter but he seems to have the ability to just scare, to use of a rubbish term, his opponents with his natural elegance in his heading and tackling.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Charly View Post
          How so?

          I dont believe Rafa can claim to have made any players better, maybe Carra.

          I reckon Rafa shackles some players.


          Gerrard has become almost unstoppable since Rafa has moved him into an advanced role. Torres has become the best striker in the world since joining. Players like Agger and Skrtel have improved into top class centre backs. Reina has become one of the best keepers in the world etc etc. But other that I completely agree with you.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Charly View Post
            How so?

            I dont believe Rafa can claim to have made any players better, maybe Carra.

            I reckon Rafa shackles some players.

            Sami was unstoppable since he first joined.
            Perhaps not in natural ability but that's not easy is it, but I think he has made better team players and more effective players of a lot of our team. I agree, Sami has always been awesome, like I said, I can't put my finger on it but I think he's slightly better

            Gerrard - more tactically aware, smarter player, better mentality
            Carragher - moved him to a slightly higher level, now the defence leader
            Torres - wasn't the goalscorer at Atletico that he is now. He's played to his strengths by teaching him positioning and playing him off the line of the defence
            Alonso - without question
            Lucas - taught him the defensive side of things
            Mascherano - was brilliant anyway but I think he's onto another level

            etc etc

            Players always say they're learning from Rafa constantly, I don't think it's up for debate?
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              #21
              Originally posted by Joe King View Post
              I felt especially under Houllier, he really didn't have the same ability to read the situation.
              Rubbish. Watch the Uefa semi final against Barca in 2001 again.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Reggie View Post
                IIRC the Sky commentator said something about him having an edgy moment or something then
                I think you were pissed.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Robbie-9-Fowler View Post
                  I would love to see him stick around for one more season
                  Would much prefer to Agger stick around for a fair few more seasons though.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Robbie-9-Fowler View Post
                    I would love to see him stick around for one more season
                    Hey mate, love your avatar. I remember that goal as if it was yesterday. What a goal! Robbie was a real genius eh?

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Joe King View Post
                      I think Benitez has made him an even better player. He comes in and does a stellar job, doesn't look out of place. What Benitez has taught him about defending especially is that you don't necessarily need pace as long as you are able to read the game better than your opponent, he did that well today.
                      I'm not sure that was a lesson Rafa taught him. He has however made him more aware of what to do with the ball when he wins it. Not a dissimilar improvement to that made by Wenger to Adams.

                      He had a splendid game at OT however he learned his trade.
                      "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
                      -- William Blake

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                        #26
                        two years ago i wanted sami out as he had gotten so slow.

                        i was wrong and the man oozes class, another great professional performance yet again
                        "Sky and Setanta have the right to choose their games and it will be the same for everyone. So Mr Ferguson will not be complaining about fixtures and a campaign against United.

                        "Or there is another option. That Mr Ferguson organises the fixtures in his office and sends it to us and everyone will know and cannot complain. That is simple."

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                          #27
                          Superb performance yesterday, MOTM.

                          He brings a wonderful sense of calm to the defence and you know you can rely on him.

                          Love the bloke, amazing service to the club and he just keeps going. Plus, he's a lovely fella too.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Reggie View Post


                            Gerrard has become almost unstoppable since Rafa has moved him into an advanced role. Torres has become the best striker in the world since joining. Players like Agger and Skrtel have improved into top class centre backs. Reina has become one of the best keepers in the world etc etc. But other that I completely agree with you.
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                              #29
                              Originally posted by fredo View Post
                              Hey mate, love your avatar. I remember that goal as if it was yesterday. What a goal! Robbie was a real genius eh?
                              Yeah me too, best fowler goal for me, just always comes to mind when I think of him!
                              Vive la France

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