How good is Fernando Torres?

[Shanks]

Best striker in the world at the moment, IMO.

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drill...tter_freevideo

[Neil Young]

Certainly not as a goalscorer old dog.

I thought of your criticism of Torres as I read this last night:

...the presumption and impudence of those who think they know something (if words are believed more than deeds), along with the partiality of those incapable of understanding, can cause many problems to arise.

The writer was talking about contemporary and near-contemporary critics of Michelangelo Buonarotti. Now I wouldn't quite put Torres in the same class as him but he's not far off.

I'm not at all having a go at you for 'daring' to express your mild criticism of him but I find it baffling you'd rather talk about his weaknesses than just celebrate his inspiring talent. If you were a professional coach I could understand that but I think the fan who does it is rather missing the point.

[Redspin]

The point about his goal-scoring being entirely in open play is usually glossed over in comparisons with other strikers, so it's good to see it highlighted in the article.

When Christina got the Golden Boot last year I only saw mentioned once in the media that, in fact, taking away his penalties and direct free-kicks and Torres scored more goals than him that season.

In fact this season, the Scum diver got 18 league goals, but as his team got, I believe, 4 penalties, I'm guessing he scored all of them. As he no doubt scored 1 or 2 at least from direct free-kicks he will have again scored fewer in open play than Torres, who only started 20 games.

[andrewces38]

The point about his goal-scoring being entirely in open play is usually glossed over in comparisons with other strikers, so it's good to see it highlighted in the article.

When Christina got the Golden Boot last year I only saw mentioned once in the media that, in fact, taking away his penalties and direct free-kicks and Torres scored more goals than him that season.

In fact this season, the Scum diver got 18 league goals, but as his team got, I believe, 4 penalties, I'm guessing he scored all of them. As he no doubt scored 1 or 2 at least from direct free-kicks he will have again scored fewer in open play than Torres, who only started 20 games.

Sometimes I make this same arguement with my Manc mates , But inside I do admit that he is one hell of a free kick specialist and this is something that makes him one of the best around in world football, whenever they have a free kick within range I almost expect something to come of it , It's up to nando to work on this part of his Armoury and then there can be no question he would become one of the greatest players on the planet , He already as stated become one of the best strikers on the planet So to add dead ball situations to his game would be great.

On the other hand we are blessed with excellent penalty takers, Stevie G ,Alonso ( sometimes the spanish taker ) and Torres I believe was Athletico penalty taker So the penalty duties may have passed him by for us but would love to see him add free kicks to his game because he is a sweet striker of the ball

[red g]

Sometimes I make this same arguement with my Manc mates , But inside I do admit that he is one hell of a free kick specialist and this is something that makes him one of the best around in world football, whenever they have a free kick within range I almost expect something to come of it , It's up to nando to work on this part of his Armoury and then there can be no question he would become one of the greatest players on the planet , He already as stated become one of the best strikers on the planet So to add dead ball situations to his game would be great.

On the other hand we are blessed with excellent penalty takers, Stevie G ,Alonso ( sometimes the spanish taker ) and Torres I believe was Athletico penalty taker So the penalty duties may have passed him by for us but would love to see him add free kicks to his game because he is a sweet striker of the ball

i think its harsh not to include free kicks in cuntfaces total as you mentioned he is pretty damn special at them and its not as if others can do that, Penalties are a different matter though.

Not sure he needs to add free kicks to his game, how many other strikers take free kicks?

[andrewces38]

i think its harsh not to include free kicks in cuntfaces total as you mentioned he is pretty damn special at them and its not as if others can do that, Penalties are a different matter though.

Not sure he needs to add free kicks to his game, how many other strikers take free kicks?

Van Persie aint bad and neither was Shearer ,Fowler scored quite a few for us too, There is a few out there and obviously the good ones are special players who has added this art to their game, Expecially the foreign players i.e the Italians and south Americans

[Guest]

I thought of your criticism of Torres as I read this last night:



The writer was talking about contemporary and near-contemporary critics of Michelangelo Buonarotti. Now I wouldn't quite put Torres in the same class as him but he's not far off.

I'm not at all having a go at you for 'daring' to express your mild criticism of him but I find it baffling you'd rather talk about his weaknesses than just celebrate his inspiring talent. If you were a professional coach I could understand that but I think the fan who does it is rather missing the point.

It's not free criticism for the sake of it mate, it's about seeing what he could do to improve rather than eulogising about him all the time. Torres never seems to put a foot wrong if you believe some people. He still has a long way to go before being compared to someone like Gerrard who's been consistently good for the best part of 5 or more years.

Torres is fantastic but he could still improve. That was my point. Gerrard has improved beyond all predictions and he's been keeping his level for years and years, a mark of a truly great player.

What Torres has for him is his fantastic ability to score goals, but that sometimes can cover some of his frailties on which he still needs to work on IMO.

[Skillz]

I thought of your criticism of Torres as I read this last night:



The writer was talking about contemporary and near-contemporary critics of Michelangelo Buonarotti. Now I wouldn't quite put Torres in the same class as him but he's not far off.

I'm not at all having a go at you for 'daring' to express your mild criticism of him but I find it baffling you'd rather talk about his weaknesses than just celebrate his inspiring talent. If you were a professional coach I could understand that but I think the fan who does it is rather missing the point.

LOL That's a class post

[DannyMan2006]

I wouldn't swap him for any other player currently playing.
More important to this team now than Gerrard or another way of explaining it is irreplaceable whereas we've coped without Gerrard towards the end of the season

Maybe that's down to having better back up for Gerrard. If we had Eto'o on the bench I doubt we'd miss him too much. But with N'gog in reserve he's been a massive loss.

[DannyMan2006]

If you could ONLY have SG or Torres in your side who would you have?

Gerrard, and it's not even close.

Our captain fantastic.

[Tatterdemalion]

The only player I would swap him for, in the same position, is Ian Rush. I honestly think he is better than Fowler.

And that's only because I love Ian Rush, and we never lost when he scored. (Until his departure to Juve was imminent.....)

I wouldn't count Dalglish and Barnes as playing in the same positions..

[Helios Creed]

Very, very good.

He is my light in the darkness and the rudder that steers my ship. He is the bacon in my butty.

[DannyMan2006]

Very, very good.

He is my light in the darkness and the rudder that steers my ship. He is the bacon in my butty.

Whatever floats your boat. I do love Fernando, but it's based purely on football adulation.

That there streaking is starting to get to you boy.

[Skillz]

Very, very good.

He is my light in the darkness and the rudder that steers my ship. He is the bacon in my butty.

LMAO

[brightred]

I thought of your criticism of Torres as I read this last night:



The writer was talking about contemporary and near-contemporary critics of Michelangelo Buonarotti. Now I wouldn't quite put Torres in the same class as him but he's not far off.

I'm not at all having a go at you for 'daring' to express your mild criticism of him but I find it baffling you'd rather talk about his weaknesses than just celebrate his inspiring talent. If you were a professional coach I could understand that but I think the fan who does it is rather missing the point.

Man, you're deep.