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    Fans one-sided in Rafael Benitez debate

    Good article from Kay:

    Fans one-sided in Rafael Benitez debate

    Benitez.385x185

    Oliver Kay

    So, Rafael Benitez is at it already, is he? Bleating about transfer money before the season has even begun? Getting his excuses in first? This from the man who has spent £240 million in five years at Liverpool, and still has not won the Premier League title!

    Sorry about that. There is an unwritten rule that you are allowed to tell only one side of the story when analysing Benitez’s record at Liverpool, so it seemed only right to start in that vein. While we’re at it, Benitez blew their hopes of the Premier League trophy last season by ranting at Sir Alex Ferguson, refusing to pick Fernando Torres, selling Robbie Keane and insisting on zonal marking at corners. Of course he did.

    Benitez is not without his idiosyncracies, but to judge from some of the reactions to my Final Word column yesterday and to a couple of comments he made in which he was vague about the funds the club’s owners were making available to him, you would think he was the one who was responsible for Liverpool’s various ills.

    Americans at fault for financial shortfall

    Someone e-mailed me yesterday with a list of Benitez’s 83 signings as Liverpool managers, listing six as successes and 77 as flops. Given that the flops included players such as Fabio Aurelio (first-choice left back signed on a free transfer) and Dirk Kuyt (£9 million, vastly underrated) as well as nine home-grown players who have come through the youth academy, as well as the admittedly terrifying number of teenagers the club imported from abroad, you might say that the list was rather skewed.

    Clearly, Benitez has made a number of dodgy signings. At right back alone, you can list Josemi, Jan Kromkamp and Philipp Degen. Further forward there have been Antonio Nunez, Mark Gonzalez, Sebastian Leto, Fernando Morientes, Craig Bellamy and, of course Keane, none of whom lasted more than 18 months.

    But these are not the names that define Benitez’s success or failure at Anfield. He likes to wheel and deal, far more than is normal for a manager at a club of Liverpool’s size, but it is beyond dispute that his net outlay of £85 million over the past five years (£230m spent, £145m recouped) has brought a huge improvement in a team and a squad that came within four points of winning the Premier League last season.

    My point yesterday was that Benitez would have needed only a reasonable amount of backing in the transfer market this summer in order to establish Liverpool, the second-best team in the country last season, ahead of a weakened Manchester United, a transitional Chelsea, an inexperienced Arsenal and an embryonic Manchester City as favourites for the Premier League.

    By reasonable, I mean even something like his past net annual budget, which has amounted to £17m.
    Nothing excessive, just the kind of outlay that might have facilitated a little fine-tuning. For a club that made a pre-tax profit of £10m in the most recent financial year, since which they have raised another £5.8m in the transfer market (with the outlay on Albert Riera, Peter Gulasci and Victor Palsson more than offset by guaranteed fees of at least £12.8m for the sales of Keane and Steve Finnan) and generated vast sums with their success in finishing second in the Premier League and reaching the quarter-finals of the Champions League.

    On the face of it, he has made two big-money signings: Glen Johnson from Portsmouth for £17.5m and Alberto Aquilani from AS Roma for £20m. And yes, both fees look a little inflated. But they have been offset, almost to the pound, by the sales of Xabi Alonso, Alvaro Arbeloa, Sebastian Leto, Paul Anderson, Adam Hammill and Jack Hobbs.

    There have been notable costs this summer in the new contracts for Torres, Daniel Agger, Kuyt and others, including Benitez, not to mention the expensive business of paying off an enormous number of staff in a dramatic revamp of the club’s technical and youth academy staff.

    But by far the biggest drain on Liverpool’s resources is the debts brought on by those wonderful owners, Tom Hicks and George Gillett Jr – huge interest bills to be paid on money borrowed so that, erm, they could keep clinging on to a club that they clearly cannot take forward. Money well spent, I’m sure you will agree.

    Liverpool left with striking problem

    Could Benitez have made better use of his resources this summer? Time will tell. A personal view is that he needs another striker as cover for and sometimes as a counterpoint for Torres. But strikers (with the exception of Michael Owen) cost money. Benitez has had none. When it comes to the final reckoning at the end of the season, which admittedly is 38 games away, I wonder whether that might the difference.

    #2
    good way of looking at it, the way I see it, Rafa is ruthless with his purchases, if they dont shape up he ships them out pronto. He has had to buy 3/4 choice targets and make do with some freebies but we now have a team capable of challenging


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      #3
      Originally posted by Parm View Post
      good way of looking at it, the way I see it, Rafa is ruthless with his purchases, if they dont shape up he ships them out pronto.
      That's one of the biggest differences between him and Houllier, who's stuck with some rubbish for years.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Reece View Post
        Good article from Kay:

        Fans one-sided in Rafael Benitez debate

        Benitez.385x185

        Oliver Kay

        So, Rafael Benitez is at it already, is he? Bleating about transfer money before the season has even begun? Getting his excuses in first? This from the man who has spent £240 million in five years at Liverpool, and still has not won the Premier League title!

        Sorry about that. There is an unwritten rule that you are allowed to tell only one side of the story when analysing Benitez’s record at Liverpool, so it seemed only right to start in that vein. While we’re at it, Benitez blew their hopes of the Premier League trophy last season by ranting at Sir Alex Ferguson, refusing to pick Fernando Torres, selling Robbie Keane and insisting on zonal marking at corners. Of course he did.

        Benitez is not without his idiosyncracies, but to judge from some of the reactions to my Final Word column yesterday and to a couple of comments he made in which he was vague about the funds the club’s owners were making available to him, you would think he was the one who was responsible for Liverpool’s various ills.

        Americans at fault for financial shortfall

        Someone e-mailed me yesterday with a list of Benitez’s 83 signings as Liverpool managers, listing six as successes and 77 as flops. Given that the flops included players such as Fabio Aurelio (first-choice left back signed on a free transfer) and Dirk Kuyt (£9 million, vastly underrated) as well as nine home-grown players who have come through the youth academy, as well as the admittedly terrifying number of teenagers the club imported from abroad, you might say that the list was rather skewed.

        Clearly, Benitez has made a number of dodgy signings. At right back alone, you can list Josemi, Jan Kromkamp and Philipp Degen. Further forward there have been Antonio Nunez, Mark Gonzalez, Sebastian Leto, Fernando Morientes, Craig Bellamy and, of course Keane, none of whom lasted more than 18 months.

        But these are not the names that define Benitez’s success or failure at Anfield. He likes to wheel and deal, far more than is normal for a manager at a club of Liverpool’s size, but it is beyond dispute that his net outlay of £85 million over the past five years (£230m spent, £145m recouped) has brought a huge improvement in a team and a squad that came within four points of winning the Premier League last season.

        My point yesterday was that Benitez would have needed only a reasonable amount of backing in the transfer market this summer in order to establish Liverpool, the second-best team in the country last season, ahead of a weakened Manchester United, a transitional Chelsea, an inexperienced Arsenal and an embryonic Manchester City as favourites for the Premier League.

        By reasonable, I mean even something like his past net annual budget, which has amounted to £17m.
        Nothing excessive, just the kind of outlay that might have facilitated a little fine-tuning. For a club that made a pre-tax profit of £10m in the most recent financial year, since which they have raised another £5.8m in the transfer market (with the outlay on Albert Riera, Peter Gulasci and Victor Palsson more than offset by guaranteed fees of at least £12.8m for the sales of Keane and Steve Finnan) and generated vast sums with their success in finishing second in the Premier League and reaching the quarter-finals of the Champions League.

        On the face of it, he has made two big-money signings: Glen Johnson from Portsmouth for £17.5m and Alberto Aquilani from AS Roma for £20m. And yes, both fees look a little inflated. But they have been offset, almost to the pound, by the sales of Xabi Alonso, Alvaro Arbeloa, Sebastian Leto, Paul Anderson, Adam Hammill and Jack Hobbs.

        There have been notable costs this summer in the new contracts for Torres, Daniel Agger, Kuyt and others, including Benitez, not to mention the expensive business of paying off an enormous number of staff in a dramatic revamp of the club’s technical and youth academy staff.

        But by far the biggest drain on Liverpool’s resources is the debts brought on by those wonderful owners, Tom Hicks and George Gillett Jr – huge interest bills to be paid on money borrowed so that, erm, they could keep clinging on to a club that they clearly cannot take forward. Money well spent, I’m sure you will agree.

        Liverpool left with striking problem

        Could Benitez have made better use of his resources this summer? Time will tell. A personal view is that he needs another striker as cover for and sometimes as a counterpoint for Torres. But strikers (with the exception of Michael Owen) cost money. Benitez has had none. When it comes to the final reckoning at the end of the season, which admittedly is 38 games away, I wonder whether that might the difference.


        Seem to have seen that somewhere before, but can't quite remember............................

        £1.50 copyright fee.
        Ta.
        Reece, get off my wife.:whatever:

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          #5
          Originally posted by Manofthebog View Post
          Seem to have seen that somewhere before, but can't quite remember............................

          £1.50 copyright fee.
          Ta.
          Are you Oliver Kay? No. So suck my balls.

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            #6


            but it is beyond dispute that his net outlay of £85 million over the past five years (£230m spent, £145m recouped) has brought a huge improvement in a team and a squad that came within four points of winning the Premier League last season.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Reece View Post
              Are you Oliver Kay? No. So suck my balls.

              Yes, maybe, no.

              Suck my toes.
              Reece, get off my wife.:whatever:

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                #8
                Originally posted by Reece View Post
                Are you Oliver Kay? No. So suck my balls.
                I'm confused, if he were Oliver Kay, would you suck his balls?

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                  #9
                  Do those figures include this year's (lack of) outlay?
                  3rd place. Worst champions ever.

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                    #10
                    Christ in a handbasket, this is just like Kraptalk, circa 1999.

                    Where's Esprin, and comedy DaveRed?
                    Reece, get off my wife.:whatever:

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                      #11
                      The crux of the article is whether or not he was given enough money to buy players who would make us win the Premiership this season. My answer would be no, as we're still left with the same cover in attack, with the only difference being Voronin replacing Robbie Keane.

                      Us winning the league is highly dependent on Torres and Gerrard remaining fit for most of our 38 matches, or maybe Ngog or Voronin being able deputies when needed.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by fredo View Post
                        The crux of the article is whether or not he was given enough money to buy players who would make us win the Premiership this season. My answer would be no, as we're still left with the same cover in attack, with the only difference being Voronin replacing Robbie Keane.

                        Us winning the league is highly dependent on Torres and Gerrard remaining fit for most of our 38 matches, or maybe Ngog or Voronin being able deputies when needed.
                        Sorry mate but your talking rubbish there.

                        If Rafa had the finances he would have walked this league by now.

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                          #13
                          [Rashid] Yeah, but, he's spent £230 gross [/Rashid]
                          Sack swinging like Dub-D40 on a door hinge

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by magicalbarnes View Post
                            Sorry mate but your talking rubbish there.

                            If Rafa had the finances he would have walked this league by now.
                            THat's what he is saying though. Re-read his mail. (Just occasionally Freda talks sense see).
                            3rd place. Worst champions ever.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by wiw View Post
                              [Rashid] Yeah, but, he's spent £230 gross [/Rashid]

                              [Plod] What a **** you are Rashid [Plod]
                              3rd place. Worst champions ever.

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