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    Houllier - summer 2002, Benitez - summer 2006

    In the summer of 2002, after the World Cup in Japan and Korea, Houllier could have, and definitely should have, bought Anelka and Duff, instead, he went for that catastrophic trio, of Diouf, Diao and Cheyrou, two of which we still haven't managed to fully release off our books.

    Ultimately these tranfer decisions, cost him his job.

    Had he gone with Anelka and Duff, there's a fair chance he'd still be in charge today, such was the importance of that summer spending spree.

    How does this concern Rafa ?

    Well, this summer Rafa let Hamann and Cisse leave, he probably should've kept hold of both. We're going to miss Djib's goals, no doubt about that, and we've already seen occasions this season, (such as the last half hour against Galatasaray) that were made for Hamann's style.

    The crucial thing is, if Rafa insisted on replacing these two players, it is essential he improves the squad with the replacements.

    Aurelio, Bellamy, Pennant and Gonzales aren't good enough to mount a title challenge with, that's the honest truth, the majority of them were bought because of a discounted price pinned to their shirt. I genuinely can't see anything in Aurelio to suggest he's worth having at the club, we've already got two left backs and two left wingers, very odd decision from Rafa. I suppose he was free, *shrugs*.

    Rafa should've have gone for quality, not quantity (our squad's already too big), this summer. A bit of extra cash would've secured a long term transfer target, such as Daniel Alves or Guily.

    We're out the title race and it's only mid October, it's depressing, yet not unfamiliar, I'd take fourth place now if it was offered, without question.

    So, the question I pose is this; could Rafa's transfer aquisitions in the summer of 2006 have an equally influential impact as Houllier's summer of 2002 ?

    #2
    There's a few smilarities but overall I think Bellamy is better than Diouf. Pennant is better than Diao & Cheyrou.
    Don't forget that Kuyt was bought as well and he is better than all the above mentioned.
    We have to sort out our away form before we can start thinking about winning the Prem.
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      #3
      Originally posted by REDSCOUSER
      There's a few smilarities but overall I think Bellamy is better than Diouf. Pennant is better than Diao & Cheyrou.
      Don't forget that Kuyt was bought as well and he is better than all the above mentioned.
      We have to sort out our away form before we can start thinking about winning the Prem.
      Is Bellamy better than Cisse though ? That may be the more relevant question.

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        #4
        I do think it's too soon to dismiss these signing, we are only mid-Oct, we have been underperforming no doubt, but talk about failures and no titles is premature.

        I think the verdict is out on whether letting Cisse go was good or bad, but I agree we've missed Hamann. Zenden isn't a patch on the Keiser in the centre. It's also fair to say that Hamann would have been looking at playing 30 games this season (all comps) which he'd have been happy with.
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          #5
          Originally posted by anfieldanfield
          Is Bellamy better than Cisse though ? That may be the more relevant question.
          without question.

          if we had to qualify for the champions league from scratch this season, maybe bellamy could be on a similar level of goals as cisse by now.

          this is not a comment based on you or anything, but i'm going to start getting pissed off come the end of the season if people start saying they'd take cisse over bellamy.

          people couldn't wait to get rid of cisse, and alot of those people are now all of a sudden claiming how many goals cisse used to score and how we should have kept him

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            #6
            Originally posted by Rocket
            people couldn't wait to get rid of cisse, and alot of those people are now all of a sudden claiming how many goals cisse used to score and how we should have kept him


            IIRC, I think anfieldanfield wanted to keep Cisse actually.

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              #7
              Originally posted by TheStig


              IIRC, I think anfieldanfield wanted to keep Cisse actually.
              yeh mate, thats why i didn't want to direct it personally at him

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                #8
                AT the moment I dont think we can blame the new signings. We have quite a few we are putting into the team and if they ALL dont gel it looks worse. We do seem to overdo the changed lineups a bit I reckon which might come back to your comment about quantity, got to keep them all happy. Yes I know Rafa likes to chop and change but it might have to be different in England as opposed to Spain.

                As a team we are not playing well. No player on the pitch today can hold their head high I beleive. Will be interesting to see the ratings thread on this game I wouldnt expect anyone over 6 .
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                  #9
                  I'm not sure about comparing the signings, but in a wider sense I am slightly worried that this season is beginning to resemble the 02/03 season under Houllier. We went into that season on the back of a second place finish in the league the previous year, a high points total, continued improvement and a lot of pundits tipping us to go that one step further and challenge for the league. In the end we had an inconsistent season, a bad start, and never really looked like challenging for the top.

                  This year we were coming into the season on the back of a good league season last year, consistent improvement and a high points total and a lot of people tipping us to be fighting for the championship and so far its not happening.

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                    #10
                    Disagree with your post anfieldanfield. Aurelio is a very good left back and Gonzo will prove himself in the long term no doubt ... As for Bellamy, he's better than Cisse. End of.

                    We'll be there or thereabouts come the end of the season. I have seen it.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by anfieldanfield
                      Gonzales aren't good
                      Whilst I agree with some of your points I don't agree with this. He's scored 2 important goals and has had a hand in some of our best displays despite not being selected that much.

                      Ask yourself this. If he had scored the winner today would you have been complaining about him?
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by fredo
                        Disagree with your post anfieldanfield. Aurelio is a very good left back and Gonzo will prove himself in the long term no doubt ... As for Bellamy, he's better than Cisse. End of.

                        We'll be there or thereabouts come the end of the season. I have seen it.

                        What an utterly deluded and simplistic post.

                        By 'there or there abouts' you mean fourth place, right ? That's not good enough, 16 years without the title mate, 16 years.

                        There's no evidence whatsoever to suggest Aurelio is good enough for this football club, or that Bellamy will score anywhere near Djib's 19 goals from last season.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by kurtangle01
                          Whilst I agree with some of your points I don't agree with this. He's scored 2 important goals and has had a hand in some of our best displays despite not being selected that much.

                          Ask yourself this. If he had scored the winner today would you have been complaining about him?
                          Ah, some interesting editing Kurt.

                          The crucial word in my orginal statement, was that 'he's not good enough'

                          He might be a handy little player, granted, but is he Duff, Robben, Joe Cole or Ronaldo ?

                          No.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by anfieldanfield
                            What an utterly deluded and simplistic post.

                            By 'there or there abouts' you mean fourth place, right ? That's not good enough, 16 years without the title mate, 16 years.

                            There's no evidence whatsoever to suggest Aurelio is good enough for this football club, or that Bellamy will score anywhere near Djib's 19 goals from last season.
                            What a load of posting bollocks.

                            I mean, Aurelio is better than Djimi isn't it ? Pennant is better than Cisse on the right isn't it ?

                            The team is still gelling and with the amount of international matches it hasn't been easy to integrate them as a unit. Add to that the poor form of Stevie G and Alonso and you get a disjointed team.

                            By there or thereabouts i mean 1st of 2nd. We're still 8 points behind United and if we beat them next week it'll be down to 5. Hardly finished i would say.

                            Chill.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by anfieldanfield
                              Ah, some interesting editing Kurt.

                              The crucial word in my orginal statement, was that 'he's not good enough'

                              He might be a handy little player, granted, but is he Duff, Robben, Joe Cole or Ronaldo ?

                              No.
                              So if the crucial word is was 'he's' then how have I interestingly edited it? You never answered my question anyway which was, if he had scored the winner today would you have been saying that about him? I think not.

                              As for Duff, Cole, Robben etc... I don't think you seen enough of him to even try and compare him in a bad light to them.

                              I think you have to look at the bigger picture and realise that these guys need time to settle.
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