Alonso Speaks...

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Man the reality of the world we live in gets in the way though ... its not like he can come out and say I am off but if the deal does not go through I will be staying ...

There will always be people pissed off, but they guy behaved as best he could given the situation. Lets not forget the dealings between Real and Liverpool were hardly fair and above board so it was not exactly a shoe in that the deal would be done, so I am guessing he did not know himself until very late on that the deal was likely to be agreed ...

Call the little cunt Douf a pussy not one of the best passers of the ball this club has ever seen.
Xabi Alonso is no ****ing Pussy

ok i agree there, and i do see your point, this bitch is still hurting though

Lets get Aquiliani fit and hope Alonso becomes just a distant memory!!

[DannyMan2006]

Look we are agreed on nearly everything. My issue is the need to find a bad guy .... theres no bad guy .. **** happens .. Its not like we got ****ed .. for whatever reason he wanted off .. his agent ... our people .. real's people were all scrambling for leverage .. **** the fans ... he probally knew as much as we all did ... I like the guy, rate him massively as a footballer and I hate to see players pass and present being abused with names when they have done nothing to deserve it ... Run your contract down, leave the club in a weak negotiating position and leave giving the club who made you nothing eventually joining our Arch rivals would be far more deserving of some of the contempt shown here

There is rarely a bad guy in football. It's a business and that's that.

When a player is not good enough for the club, the club are quick to get rid and no one mopes on about that. Yet when a club is no longer good enough for a player all hell breaks loose.

Even the Owen situation I could understand. He left because the club were doing ****e. He joined Newcastle because he didn't want to run the risk of missing out on England. He joined Man Utd because his other option was Everton (another rival) or Hull, neither of which are close to matching his ambitions. We know he's driven by England and that's why he joined the mancs. We can say what we like but all the sources close to him say that he was desperate to come back to Anfield but that we wouldn't have him.

As I said football is a business and footballers treat it like an everyday job. If there is better prospects and money elsewhere 95% will move on. You get the odd 5% like in normal life who are happy with their lot. But they are rarely found. Even Gerrard nearly left FFS.

[Nicey]

ok i agree there, and i do see your point, this bitch is still hurting though

Lets get Aquiliani fit and hope Alonso becomes just a distant memory!!

Fair enough mate we are all on the same side ... because of our style of play to be honest I rated him as the most important player at the club .. always have done before he was bounded about as some cosmic football conductor but for me hes the best playmaking defensive midfielder in the world rigth now .. but my gut told me he was off instantly. Now we have to adapt to a different system and we will probally come out of this transition a team better set up to win the Lg

[dww]

There is rarely a bad guy in football. It's a business and that's that.

When a player is not good enough for the club, the club are quick to get rid and no one mopes on about that. Yet when a club is no longer good enough for a player all hell breaks loose.

Even the Owen situation I could understand. He left because the club were doing ****e. He joined Newcastle because he didn't want to run the risk of missing out on England. He joined Man Utd because his other option was Everton (another rival) or Hull, neither of which are close to matching his ambitions. We know he's driven by England and that's why he joined the mancs. We can say what we like but all the sources close to him say that he was desperate to come back to Anfield but that we wouldn't have him.

As I said football is a business and footballers treat it like an everyday job. If there is better prospects and money elsewhere 95% will move on. You get the odd 5% like in normal life who are happy with their lot. But they are rarely found. Even Gerrard nearly left FFS.

To be honest I find it tiresome that people always wish to find someone to blame in every situation. Sometimes things aren't working and you have to change things to put it right and when you do that someone will inevitable be left out/disappointed it doesn't stop their needing to be a change or mean that trying to enact it is the wrong decision.

[tomasjj]

In any case, what we have to contend with now is filling the hole left after him.
He is gone, so I reckon we should try to move on.

Lucas is not up for it, so I just hope Rafa drops SG back now until Aki is ready.
Play Benny in the hole and Riera out left.
SG might find it easier to see more of the ball as well when he drops back.

[Skillz]

I agree with the last part ... Xabi is no Pussy though and each to there ****ing own when it comes to Pregnancy and babies .. there is no right answer there

IMO too much is placed on this as I doubt it had any lasting effect on thier relationship. Personally I think the problems started with the breakdown of Rafa's and Pakos relationship. Having said that I also think there was more than one factor and in the end a parting of the ways was the best option for all.

Especially when we got 30M GBP for him to spend on David Villa

Oh....hang on a sec

[Skillz]

I disagree, and also it seems disingenuous to highlight one line out of an entire post.

I’d say 2 out 5 (actually it was four seasons wasn’t? Two good, two ****e) – but IMO it’s not even up for debate that his form for the middle two seasons was turd. The fact we couldn’t sell him and received just one solitary offer for him last summer testifies to this.

IMO it 50/50 as I thought he was good for the 1st 18 months and last 12 was obviously excellant.

No offense meant either Shaggy cos I've been laughing all summer at how many think he was only here for 4 years.

[DannyMan2006]

IMO it 50/50 as I thought he was good for the 1st 18 months and last 12 was obviously excellant.

No offense meant either Shaggy cos I've been laughing all summer at how many think he was only here for 4 years.

I think people just choose to forget that we've won **** all for three years. All this despite having the worlds most amazing player ever in midfield.

Only kidding,

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I think people just choose to forget that we've won **** all for three years. All this despite having the worlds most amazing player ever in midfield. Only kidding,

and the best midfield in the world

[DannyMan2006]

In any case, what we have to contend with now is filling the hole left after him.
He is gone, so I reckon we should try to move on.

Lucas is not up for it, so I just hope Rafa drops SG back now until Aki is ready.
Play Benny in the hole and Riera out left.
SG might find it easier to see more of the ball as well when he drops back.

I said before the Bolton game there was no way he would change it, and I stand by that................

[Nicey]

IMO too much is placed on this as I doubt it had any lasting effect on thier relationship. Personally I think the problems started with the breakdown of Rafa's and Pakos relationship. Having said that I also think there was more than one factor and in the end a parting of the ways was the best option for all.

Especially when we got 30M GBP for him to spend on David Villa

Oh....hang on a sec

Half a dozen of one 6 of the other mate

Possibly something happened possibly not, possibly rafa wanted to change systems possibly not .. who cares .. hes gone .. he was great and we all move on

I am looking forward to watching the MightY Quinn play in the middle of the park .. think we will just over power teams with the ammount of attacking options on the park

[Neil Young]

That was going off what was said in Gerrard & Carra's books.

Perhaps, what with encountering rafa on a daily basis, they're probably in a good position to comment, better than you or i, wouldnt you agree?

Not necessarily. They're not exactly impartial observers - who knows what drives their analysis?

I have two questions for you that are pertinent to this part of the discussion:

1. Rafa appeared to change his mind about Alonso between summer 08 and summer 09. Do you accept that flatly contradicts the idea (put forward by all three LFC legends, Carragher, Gerrard and, um, you) that he is inflexible and refuses to change his mind?
2. Did you say he was inflexible and stubborn as I intimated in my earlier post?

FWIW I agree with Shaggy (and, IIRC, you in part) it's a good thing he's got his own ideas and backs them even when many are saying he's got it wrong. I just think he's a pragmatist too.

[DannyMan2006]

and the best midfield in the world

Actually it does make me wonder how we won **** all for three years. A top keeper, a solid defence, worlds best striker, worlds best midfielder, worlds best defensive midfielder, worlds best playmaking defensive midfielder, first choice internationals on either wing.

Maybe our players aren't as good as we make them out to be?

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Actually it does make me wonder how we won **** all for three years. A top keeper, a solid defence, worlds best striker, worlds best midfielder, worlds best defensive midfielder, worlds best playmaking defensive midfielder, first choice internationals on either wing.

Maybe our players aren't as good as we make them out to be?

Rafa out !!!

they are though.........its just the gulf in class in our squad is frightening.

[Neil Young]

Actually it does make me wonder how we won **** all for three years. A top keeper, a solid defence, worlds best striker, worlds best midfielder, worlds best defensive midfielder, worlds best playmaking defensive midfielder, first choice internationals on either wing.

Maybe our players aren't as good as we make them out to be?

No, no, no - it's because Lucas is in the squad. And Babel's ****. And Dossena eats pies. And Parry. And Hicks and Gillett. And fredo.

I think you make a good point. Also, Rafa isn't god, we've been a little unlucky with injuries, etc.