New global corp sponsor revealed Sept 18th!!

[The Birdman]

I look forward to seeing a front three of N'Gog, Ngoo and Amoo.

Class

At least this youngster is English

[cannotmakeit]

Standard Chatererd is probably one of the few banks unaffected by the financial crisis and in a much better position than HSBC. Plus they have a massive presence in Africa, India and Asia which surely are the new growth areas for us. Excellent deal.

[Shaggy]

I look forward to seeing a front three of N'Gog, Ngoo and Amoo.

Beat me to it

[el matador]

if its true its great news.

In terms of looking at liverpool fc as a business then these two know whats going on. To increase the revenue from £7m to the reported £20m is something parry & moores could never have done.

Can we have silva please ?

[DannyMan2006]

Had the financial market not gone belly up I would think we'd have done well with these at the helm. But when it all went wrong their lies got exposed in a way they wouldn't have anticapated.

I think by now we all realise we are stuck with them for a long time yet, so deals such as this should be seen as positive news. But as Nicey said, this is something I have come to expect as they are very good on the commercial side.

[ukfootballfan101]

Did they lie??

Here is what I thinked happened:-

1. They buy the club and say they will begin building the stadium within 60/90 (can't remember the number) days

2. They realise the plans Parry has had drawn up are ****

3. They go back to a different architect for a new design

4. They don't communicate properly with the fans and explain the change of plans the way they should

5. Finance becomes a bit harder to get hold of so they get the stadium redesigned to be a bit cheaper

6. New designs are finalised and permits applied for

7. By the time the permits come through the financial markets are ****ed and they don't have a hope in hell of getting the money together

So I don't think they lied as such, they just should have explained things much better...

[DannyMan2006]

Did they lie??

Here is what I thinked happened:-

1. They buy the club and say they will begin building the stadium within 60/90 (can't remember the number) days

2. They realise the plans Parry has had drawn up are ****

3. They go back to a different architect for a new design

4. They don't communicate properly with the fans and explain the change of plans the way they should

5. Finance becomes a bit harder to get hold of so they get the stadium redesigned to be a bit cheaper

6. New designs are finalised and permits applied for

7. By the time the permits come through the financial markets are ****ed and they don't have a hope in hell of getting the money together

So I don't think they lied as such, they just should have explained things much better...

And the no debt on the club part?

[Molby]

And the no debt on the club part?

You're right DannyMan - the debt onto the club (or KopHoldings - as they have called it) has effectively crippled rafa's spending ability this summer ti take us onto that next level

Record shirt sponsership or not - the fact is these ******s have crippled the club with their debt...

please leave you decrepid old *******s - and take your robbing masks with you

[EwarWoo]

You're right DannyMan - the debt onto the club (or KopHoldings - as they have called it) has effectively crippled rafa's spending ability this summer ti take us onto that next level

Record shirt sponsership or not - the fact is these ******s have crippled the club with their debt...

please leave you decrepid old *******s - and take your robbing masks with you

Other than the fact that we've spent more than the other of the "top 4" clubs which heavily suggests it's not solely their issue. But never mind logic hey

[kop-al-74]

Typical.We announce the joint biggest sponsorship deal in football and hardly a sniff about it anywhere in the mainstream media.I remember when Chelsea and Utd,even spurs's deal with mansion was announced,they were all creaming themselves,saying how good a deal it was.

Maybe it's still early days,they havn't read The Echo yet!

[paulc]

Typical.We announce the joint biggest sponsorship deal in football and hardly a sniff about it anywhere in the mainstream media.I remember when Chelsea and Utd,even spurs's deal with mansion was announced,they were all creaming themselves,saying how good a deal it was.

Maybe it's still early days,they havn't read The Echo yet!

was in the times today

[G]

We haven't actually officially announced it yet so thats prob why nobody in the media is harping on about it.

[CincyRed]

“The club is in outstanding shape,” Gillett said. “Economically, it’s never been stronger. We just paid down our debt very substantially. We have less debt per dollar than any club in the league."

I'm sorry George, that sounds like management speak to me and I know you hate that.

Can we believe this? What does this even mean? Less debt per dollar? Does he mean less debt per turnover?

But if we take him at his word and say okay the club is in strong financial shape, what is the explanation for having a net profit by some margin in both of the last transfer windows? To me it was clear that Rafa didn't let Voronin or Dossena go, because he knew that the owners werent going to release him the funds and he needed the players.

Or did it just happen to be that they had no real liquid assets right at the time of the transfer window because of the to need to repay the 60m? And that in the next window we will spend? Of course the owners have been nothing but a disappointment and the frustration of Moores's decision to pass on Dubai has also been severe, but it seems at least possible that TH and GG have been victims of circumstance with large contributions of hubris and ungraceful media relations. With GG getting a large sum for his hockey team and Hicks on the verge of selling his baseball club they both might be in a position to put some money in the club. On top of that, they have tapped the commercial potential of the club to much larger scale. We have gotten substantial payments as a result of our league and champions league success last year. Remember the percentage of the champions league pot you get is based upon where you finish in the league. And if the figures are true on that sponsorship deal that they really have added a great deal of financial stability to the club.

My main worry however is how poorly Hicks ran the Rangers. He took a team that was a perennial contender saddled it with large contracts and larger egos and for nearly a decade sucked the life out of that club.

It will be interesting to see what they spend in January. We really are very close to a crushing dominating title winning side.

[EwarWoo]

But if we take him at his word and say okay the club is in strong financial shape, what is the explanation for having a net profit by some margin in both of the last transfer windows?

09-10: Profit of 150k. It' is "some" margin yes, but I get the impression you weren't using "some" in it's literal sense, more implying it was a large profit.
08-09: Spent 4m.
Yes, in the Jan window, but using a window where we offloaded a player we didn't want and did no other business is warping the facts to suit an agenda a wee bit. So I refuse to use that and did the full year instead

To me it was clear that Rafa didn't let Voronin or Dossena go, because he knew that the owners werent going to release him the funds and he needed the players.

Really? Then why did he sell Alonso? To me it's clear you're making a massive leap and representing it as fact.

[CincyRed]

09-10: Profit of 150k. It' is "some" margin yes, but I get the impression you weren't using "some" in it's literal sense, more implying it was a large profit.
08-09: Spent 4m.
Yes, in the Jan window, but using a window where we offloaded a player we didn't want and did no other business is warping the facts to suit an agenda a wee bit. So I refuse to use that and did the full year instead


Really? Then why did he sell Alonso? To me it's clear you're making a massive leap and representing it as fact.

After looking it up, I was mistaken to say that it was a large amount we were in the black for the most recent window. By the numbers at http://www.lfchistory.net/seasontran...?Season_id=119 we were up by 750k. However, I don't understand your point about the Keane sale. First, I didnt say last two seasons, I said last two windows. So that is only Summer 09 and Jan 09. Regardless of whether Keane fit in the squad, he and Reira were the only purchases of that summer (I'm not counting Dossena bc he cant even get a game with Aurelio out and he is one of the two players that I listed that Rafa wanted to sell but chose not to bc of not getting the funds). We didnt buy any other players in that window and we sold a player for a large fee. And if we consider the two whole seasons as you have done with the 4m spent, I reckon that is the difference in the Keane purchase fee and Keane sell fee.

As to your second point, first, I didnt represent it as fact. You stitched me up with the "to me its clear" in your post, yet you forget that point when saying I represented it as fact. Also, is it possible that Rafa figured out that he wasnt going to get the funds after he sold Alonso? Or should we just assume its your way since the whole point of your post seems to have been to pick mine apart and not contribute anything to the discussion.

The strange thing to me is that I was just making those points as counter points to an overall thrust of my post that was, perhaps the Americans havent and wont be that bad. A position that from your post, it seems you may agree with.