2010 Home grown player quota

[The Birdman]

I'm thinking its a good thing, in that it will stop rafa buying squad players and they'll actually come through the ranks after probably being bought that is as a teenager or younger. The price of child labour is going to go through the roof. More so now than before, the price of a potential star will soar. This mightn't be a bad thing either for the game in general and the grass roots clubs as they may receive inflated transfer fees to develop, but we all know about potential, the new zidane anybody?

Put it like this, if Rafa didn't sign Dossena and Degen and brought Insua (granted he did) and Darby through, we'd be up in a transfer fee and wages to use elsewhere in the squad. Then again the likes of Insua as a youngster might cost the same as Dossena as a seasoned pro under the new scheme.

We agreed to it, so I doubt its going to cause major heartache.

That's the main point for me, it might have only just been announced but it would have been discussed for a long time so we would have known about it and I guess have prepared accordingly.

I'm not sure what impact it'll have on young, English players as they can be foreign but 'trained' for 3 years (I think) but it should stop us stock pilling ****e squad players

[dww]

We have to meet the CL regulations anyway so it was never going to require major squad surgery.

[dom9]

This ruling has just bumped up the price of very average English players by about 25%

Correct - it helps to explain Glen Johnson's fee too.

I think a lot of middle-ranking clubs will be affected too. They will have to scour the Championship for the best home grown talent, inflating their prices too.

[Assassin]

Correct - it helps to explain Glen Johnson's fee too.

I think a lot of middle-ranking clubs will be affected too. They will have to scour the Championship for the best home grown talent, inflating their prices too.

Initially this ruling will favour the richer clubs as they have the money to buy the best home grown players and the middle ranking clubs will be scrtching around looking for players or playing less than optimal players in their teams to satisfy the quotas

[ashey]

Rafa has been buying loads of 16, 17 & 18 year old kids from all over the world for years now. They will count has "Home Grown" by the time they're 21; a la Insua.

It'll be the likes of Bolton & Portsmouth who buy cheap foriegn players that will suffer the most.

[BrianF80]

We have to meet the CL regulations anyway so it was never going to require major squad surgery.

Except that next year Nemeth, Plessis, and N'Gog become 21 and foreign.

Meaning we can only register 17 out of this lot. Which means there are some tough decisions to be made.

Diego Cavalieri
Alberto Aquilani
Daniel Agger
Fernando Torres
Andriy Voronin
Albert Riera
Fabio Aurelio
Yossi Benayoun
Sotirios Kyrgiakos
Dirk Kuyt
Ryan Babel
Javier Mascherano
Lucas Leiva
David Ngog
Pepe Reina
Philipp Degen
Damien Plessis
Krisztian Nemeth
Charles Itandje
Nabil El Zhar
Martin Skrtel
Andrea Dossena

[RedReet]

Except that next year Nemeth, Plessis, and N'Gog become 21 and foreign.

Meaning we can only register 17 out of this lot. Which means there are some tough decisions to be made.

Diego Cavalieri
Alberto Aquilani
Daniel Agger
Fernando Torres
Andriy Voronin
Albert Riera
Fabio Aurelio
Yossi Benayoun
Sotirios Kyrgiakos
Dirk Kuyt
Ryan Babel
Javier Mascherano
Lucas Leiva
David Ngog
Pepe Reina
Philipp Degen
Damien Plessis
Krisztian Nemeth
Charles Itandje
Nabil El Zhar
Martin Skrtel
Andrea Dossena

Even without the quota, I'd expect the ones in red to go. I think El Zhar might be sold to free up room and unfortunately expect Mascherano to be gone.

Plessis turns 22 in March and this is his third year. Would he count as eligible or is he a few months too old?

[BrianF80]

Even without the quota, I'd expect the ones in red to go. I think El Zhar might be sold to free up room and unfortunately expect Mascherano to be gone.

Plessis turns 22 in March and this is his third year. Would he count as eligible or is he a few months too old?

Those were pretty much my thoughts too, but how much can we raise? You've got to think there will be a glut of foreigners getting unloaded next year which will drive prices down so getting in backups could be tricky unless the likes of Amoo etc trusted.

Re:Plessis, I don't know, I haven't seen the actual regulation. There's ambiguity about Insua and Gulacsi as well, because their first year with us was on loan does that count? I think it does as they mention "registered with the club", but until we see the actual regulation it's difficult to be sure.

[RedReet]

I doubt we’d raise that much, but in my eyes we’d only really need to replace Voronin and get decent cover for Torres. All other areas are pretty well covered, bar maybe RB, but Darby and Kelly have another year to improve.

Providing Aurelio proves his fitness, I can see Dossena gone at Christmas and if we got a cash offer for Babel, he might be off also. Hopefully as there is no urgency to get rid, we’d get decent enough prices.

[dww]

I've merged the threads from the General football and here - I know it is a general football issue but I think more people are likely to read/contribute here.

[dww]

Too soon for home-grown quota, blasts Rafa
Belfast Telegraph, 16 September 2009

Rafael Benitez has expressed concern at the speed in which the Premier League have introduced a quota system for home-grown players.

The Liverpool manager will take charge of his 300th match since joining the Reds as another Champions League campaign starts tonight with a Group E clash against Hungarian champions Debrecen at Anfield.

He has had to contend with quotas in European football for several years, but now he fears for the overall quality of the English game.

The new regulations mean there will have to be eight home-grown players in every 25-man league squad from next season.

The 20 Premier League clubs met last Thursday to agree the introduction of the rule.

Benitez said: “Maybe it has been brought in too soon.

“In the Champions League we had two or three years to increase the numbers of home-grown players.

“The problem in England is that there is a big gap between the academies and the first team, the reserve league is not filling this gap.

“It may now be difficult to maintain quality, but we will continue to do our best. The number of players is not the point, the quality is the point.

“But if they have decided this maybe they have been thinking about this rule for a long time.”

Benitez added: “Similar rules have been introduced in the Champions League, first four, then six now eight home-grown players in each squad. We were all given three years to make these changes slowly.

“Now it will be different, and quicker. It all depends on the players. Not the amount, more the quality.

“If a top side has to find eight players from the academy straight away, it may well be difficult.

“Academies do not produce too many in England, (home-grown) players tend to play in the lower divisions because they may not be good enough for the very top.

“Clubs have to bring in the best young players from around the world at a young age to produce the quality (in the academies), and we have been expecting some sort of rule change like this.

“People talk too much about the age of players and where they are from. They forget about quality, the Premier League is the best league in the world because of the quality, not because of where the players come from.

“When they decided to put this rule in place, maybe they have been thinking about it for years. Sooner rather than later, with the Champions League rules changing, we expected something similar here.

“Players like Michael Owen, Wayne Rooney and Steven Gerrard — when they were 17 — were playing in the first teams. But not too many, because the level is too high.

“Most players need time. But between 18 and 21 years of age, the reserve league is not good enough for them.

“In two or three years' time we will see what the quality of the league is like then.”

Liverpool have one of the highest numbers of foreign players in the country, and can only just manage to meet the current Champions League criteria of eight home-grown players in a 28-man squad.

The likes of Stephen Darby, Jay Spearing, David Martin, Martin Kelly, David Amoo and Nathan Eccleston are academy players in the Champions League squad, but none are close to Premier League level yet.

Benitez will put those concerns behind him for the visit of Debrecen, on their Champions League debut.

Benitez hinted that the Premier League is considered Liverpool's main focus this season.

He said: “The Premier League is the priority for the fans, and the Champions League is massive. We will not forget the domestic cups because this club are expected to do well in everything.”

[dww]

Quite an equivocal "blast" from Rafa there I feel.

[dww]

Except that next year Nemeth, Plessis, and N'Gog become 21 and foreign.

Meaning we can only register 17 out of this lot. Which means there are some tough decisions to be made.

Diego Cavalieri
Alberto Aquilani
Daniel Agger
Fernando Torres
Andriy Voronin
Albert Riera
Fabio Aurelio
Yossi Benayoun
Sotirios Kyrgiakos
Dirk Kuyt
Ryan Babel
Javier Mascherano
Lucas Leiva
David Ngog
Pepe Reina
Philipp Degen
Damien Plessis
Krisztian Nemeth
Charles Itandje
Nabil El Zhar
Martin Skrtel
Andrea Dossena

I'm with RedReet there are a number of players the loss of would make little difference to the squad on that list and some we would probably want to sell anyway. I certainly don't see many difficult decisions. the only thing I see it changing is the chances given to Spearing vs Plessis this season (unless as suggested the latter will qualify as home grown). It will be interesting to see if Kyrgiakos has been bought as a long term option or a stop gap for this season.

[Darkon]

I don't really see the major problem as we are already subjected to those rules when playing the CL - so we must have a squad for it.

And I do believe that Nemeth qualifies as homegrown next year.

But it wont really stop what they intend to, as Rafa is suggesting. It just means that youngsters will be poached even earlier because of these requirements.

If this was purely for talent development issues then it would surely be better to ban signing contracts with players under 18, or set the no. of years up to 5 so it would basically be illegal to bring in youngsters from abroad.

[Guest]

Quite an equivocal "blast" from Rafa there I feel.

And he's right. Again, this demonstrates the incompetence of the PL administrators.