Spearing

[Tatterdemalion]

Speaking as a Scouser, I can assure you that being a Scouser is not restricted to the city of Liverpool.

It's all about a shared background, heritage and accent.

So, I was born in Fazakerly, raised in Liverpool and Formby. I realise Formby isn't exactly Liverpool but you've already forgiven me for that.

However, I no longer speak with an accent. Does that mean I've no claim to being a scouser, despite being born and raised on Merseyside?

Sorry mate but that's a load of bollocks. It has nothing to do with a shared background, as everyone is different, and nothing to do with accent.

[redstaralex]

Speaking as a Scouser, I can assure you that being a Scouser is not restricted to the city of Liverpool. While all people born in Liverpool are Scousers, not all Scousers are from Liverpool. Being Liverpudlian is not the only definition of a Scouser.

It's all about a shared background, heritage and accent. Therefore those from the Wirral, whether Jay Spearing today or Jason McAteer in the past, along with others that spring to mind like Carragher and Gerrard, of the current team and the likes of Phil Thompson, Terry McDermott, Roy Evans etc are as much Scousers as Fowler and McManaman and, indeed, myself being born and raised in within the city limits.

nonsense, are people who live close to Wales Welsh? what about people in Carlise who drink Irn Bru, are they Scottish? if you haven't got a purple bin you're a wool, Huyton is part of Knowlsey, Kirkby is part of Sefton, neither are part of Liverpool

[ufc43]

Spearing, Arsenal V Liverpool

On a pitch full of kids Spearing was still out of his depth. He has had plenty of first team chances and has never look promising. He is not and will not be the next Gerard!! I don't think he could even be the next Lucas!! Plessis looks a better prospect.

In my opinion he offers nothing, no pace, no skill, poor in the air and very rarely wins a tackle. Is it because he is a local lad that people are looking at him more in hope than anything else?

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On a pitch full of kids Spearing was still out of his depth. He has had plenty of first team chances and has never look promising. He is not and will not be the next Gerard!! I don't think he could even be the next Lucas!! Plessis looks a better prospect.

In my opinion he offers nothing, no pace, no skill, poor in the air and very rarely wins a tackle. Is it because he is a local lad that people are looking at him more in hope than anything else?

in plenty you mean 2 starts? both without gerrard and torres who as more of an attacking midfielder he would work with a lot better than vrononin and babel!!!

you do realise he is still only 20? and nobody on here does think he will be the next gerrard.....but he maybe a good squad player while keeping the quotas of english up and also giving the local lads some hope that they can do it as well

[RedReet]

I thought he was decent second half.

[dww]

I thought he was decent second half.

[SK]

he has a good passing range, and pretty good vision for spotting runs, but that's only possible with better players upfront who make inteligent runs he can spot.

whilst i also think he won't make it as 1st teamer, there's absolutely no need to sell, at least not until we get someone better from the academy to the brink of the 1st team.

[wildman]

[QUOTE=Vermilion;1433469]See the point, but this lad Lucas was Brazilian player of the year, or young Brazilian player of the year or was it youngest Brazilian player of the year, whichever ? so it would seem, i say seem, to imply he has more potential than Spearing

thast beacuse lucas doe shave morepotential

[Marky]

Spearing's coming in for a bit too much stick if u ask me.

Fair enough he wasn't great 1st half but i thought he played quite well 2nd half and passed it about to good effect.

It's clear his technique is good but maybe his lack of height and presence will count against him in the long run.

The fella plays his heart out though so i think it's a bit unfair to have a go. Surely all we ask for as fans is 100% player from every player that pulls on the Red shirt?

[dww]

I think people are far too keen for people to arrive fully fledged at the age of 19. Look at how bad the initial performances of the likes of Diaby and Song were and now they are very good PL players. Obviously the best case for later development is Fletcher at United - although he had international football to gain experience in which will be hard for the likes of Spearing and Plessis to obtain.

[DannyMan2006]

Spearing's coming in for a bit too much stick if u ask me.

Fair enough he wasn't great 1st half but i thought he played quite well 2nd half and passed it about to good effect.

It's clear his technique is good but maybe his lack of height and presence will count against him in the long run.

The fella plays his heart out though so i think it's a bit unfair to have a go. Surely all we ask for as fans is 100% player from every player that pulls on the Red shirt?

If that was the case Erik Meijer would still be at Liverpool. You need to be more than a hard worker to make it at Liverpool. Hard work should come as standard for any Liverpool player. In fact it's the reason Babel is on the sidelines as he fails to run and track back.

That said, I think Jay has plenty of promise and there is a lot more to come from him. Rafa needs to play him and others of that age whenever he can get a chance. If we are three nil up with twenty minutes to go, it should be him or Kellky coming of the bench, not someone like Voronin or Riera or Yossi, or whoever else for that matter.

Because the more experience they get behind them, the better it will be for the club. Then in games where they are needed (Sunderalnd for example) they will be much the better for it.

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If that was the case Erik Meijer would still be at Liverpool. You need to be more than a hard worker to make it at Liverpool. Hard work should come as standard for any Liverpool player. In fact it's the reason Babel is on the sidelines as he fails to run and track back.

That said, I think Jay has plenty of promise and there is a lot more to come from him. Rafa needs to play him and others of that age whenever he can get a chance. If we are three nil up with twenty minutes to go, it should be him or Kellky coming of the bench, not someone like Voronin or Riera or Yossi, or whoever else for that matter.

Because the more experience they get behind them, the better it will be for the club. Then in games where they are needed (Sunderalnd for example) they will be much the better for it.

the rproblem is i think they needed to be played when we have a full squad team out and they get given 30mins when we are a couple of goals up ( not something that happens at mo!! ) just like ronaldo at united.

I am sure Spearing would play a hell of a lot better if he had gerrarrd by his side and torres to aim at.

only the very best can rise above the mediocrity that is sometimes on the pithc and take the game by the scruff of the neck when u are surrounded by the likes of vrononin and babel

[DannyMan2006]

the rproblem is i think they needed to be played when we have a full squad team out and they get given 30mins when we are a couple of goals up ( not something that happens at mo!! ) just like ronaldo at united.

I am sure Spearing would play a hell of a lot better if he had gerrarrd by his side and torres to aim at.

only the very best can rise above the mediocrity that is sometimes on the pithc and take the game by the scruff of the neck when u are surrounded by the likes of vrononin and babel

Him and Plessis were out numbered against Arsenal and played well in the circumstances. And as I said , I agree he and the likes of Kelly need to be brought on when we are crusing in games.

We get seven subs. At least one of them should be a yound lad whose development would be greatly assisted by a ten minute cameo.

Just think, four nil up v Burnley at Anfield. How good would it have been to bring on someone like Amoo for the final ten minutes. Give the lad a debut, show him what the first team set up is like and generally give him the biggest confidence boost available. Doesn't matter if he plays well or not.

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Him and Plessis were out numbered against Arsenal and played well in the circumstances. And as I said , I agree he and the likes of Kelly need to be brought on when we are crusing in games.

We get seven subs. At least one of them should be a yound lad whose development would be greatly assisted by a ten minute cameo.

Just think, four nil up v Burnley at Anfield. How good would it have been to bring on someone like Amoo for the final ten minutes. Give the lad a debut, show him what the first team set up is like and generally give him the biggest confidence boost available. Doesn't matter if he plays well or not.

not sure rafa makes the best use of the seven subs ....i agree it would be great to see that happen and i dont see how they could feasibly do worse than vrononin specially!!

[DannyMan2006]

not sure rafa makes the best use of the seven subs ....i agree it would be great to see that happen and i dont see how they could feasibly do worse than vrononin specially!!

We could have a reserve team full of world stars, but I still feel a young lad on the bench in certain games would make perfect sense. I'm not saying put Amoo on the bench for Lyon away or Man Utd at home, but for games like Stoke, Hull, Burnley and Birmingham at home we should have a young lad there.

Still leaves Rafa six spots to fill with options for changing the game. I remember one game where he had Dossena and Aurelio on the bench. Both play the same position FFS. Why not have a young lad on the bench in one of their spots?

At least when we go to sign the top young players Rafa can point to the young lads on the bench who come on and say YOU WILL GET A CHANCE.