Ngog

[RedReet]

One word - USELESS like Voronin and Lucas

I'm sure all three know how to count though.

Top post nonetheless.

[ronanm]

Was Kelly playing the Lyon team onside for that first goal?

[vlahka]

Difference though! we plucked ngog out of nowhere for about £1.5m - United paid around £17m for Nani!!!

Ha yeah exactly. Not really a comparison.

I'm not following that line of reasoning. Why should it matter how much the player costs? We're talking about his skill level and how he affects the team when he plays for them, which he seems to be doing quite a bit this season. If a player doesnt perform then he's a bad buy.

[Reece]

I'm not following that line of reasoning. Why should it matter how much the player costs? We're talking about his skill level and how he affects the team when he plays for them, which he seems to be doing quite a bit this season. If a player doesnt perform then he's a bad buy.

Yeah but surely spending £17m on a player that doesn't perform is far far worse than spending £1.5m on a player that doesn't perform

Not that I agree on N'Gog not performing anyway. I think he done okay for us so far, and that includes the other night when he was horribly isolated at times.

[dom9]

Absolutely

20 years old, made ~30 first team appearances in his entire career so far (and maybe what, a dozen starts, if that?). Its not his fault we haven't got any other sensible options in that position when Torres is out, the people writing him off as "useless" need to get a grip of themselves imho.

I would usually agree with you, but I have seen nothing in this player to think he has potential. He can't really pass, can't really go past people, and doesn't seem to have much in the way of postional or team-mate awareness. I think he can finish, but he gets so few chances (fewer than most other players in that position) that we'll probably never find out.

Other options are limited too, which is not his fault, but I think I'd rather start with Babel or Voronin.

People who think that Pacheco is ready are clearly mental. He is at least 2 years from being ready to start in a crucial Champions League / Mun U League match. Carling Cup, or whatever it's called nowadays is about his level.

[Exiled_red]

Absolutely

20 years old, made ~30 first team appearances in his entire career so far (and maybe what, a dozen starts, if that?). Its not his fault we haven't got any other sensible options in that position when Torres is out, the people writing him off as "useless" need to get a grip of themselves imho.

[tomasjj]

Voronin, Babel, Eccelstone, Amoo, Pacheco, Nemeth etc etc....... all got no aerial ability at all, do not have the combination of strength and pace. (and don't mention babel here...if you want to, have a look at how he challenges for aerial balls, then come back to me afterwards.)

Ngog has that, and can actually lead the line, even if he is inexperienced.

I think that is why he was preferred in front of the others.

[badpiggy]

torres has had a good few games where he does **** all, gives the ball loadsand just runs into people when he has it. this happens when he is totally isolated and our midfiled give him nothing. just like n'gog on tuesday. not his fault at all. and that chance he had after the chest-control was fairly tricky. not saying he's going to be great but way too ****in early to dismiss him.

against this, i'd really love for one of the squad members/young lads to come on and really impress us. like kelly did i suppose the other night actually.

[redkop]

Speed, Strength and Skills, he ain't got it as a striker. No time for him to develop. we'e not in an academy league. I'd say give Nemeth the chance, some raw talent must come thru the ranks. Kelly did a good job yesterday as if he was a regular, shame on those senior who're just playing for the paycheck.

[jynormous]

I think the real problem was that we were playing 4-5-1 without either stevie or nando.

there is no reason why we should be playing that formation without the players it was built around.

The young kid isnt good enough to hold up the ball on his own and not quick enough to get in behind defenders. Its not his fault, its totally the wrong formation for him.

It worries me how we can have the best striker in the world and also 2 of the worst. Knowing that, we should have had 2 of them up front to maximise scoring chances. And we should never be playing 2 holding mids at home, we were sitting too deep and had a massive gab between the back 6 and top 4, they just sat in the hole.

Lets home this italian can fill a gab for us.

[Exiled_red]

Speed, Strength and Skills, he ain't got it as a striker. No time for him to develop. we'e not in an academy league. I'd say give Nemeth the chance, some raw talent must come thru the ranks. Kelly did a good job yesterday as if he was a regular, shame on those senior who're just playing for the paycheck.

Ngog and Nemeth are the same age, so if you'd give Nemeth a chance why not Ngog?? People have said that Ngog looked the better player of the two in the reserves last season Admittedly Nemeth was injured for a long period but he needs games after his injury before he's thrown into the first team.

[MrMichael]

Voronin, Babel, Eccelstone, Amoo, Pacheco, Nemeth etc etc....... all got no aerial ability at all, do not have the combination of strength and pace. (and don't mention babel here...if you want to, have a look at how he challenges for aerial balls, then come back to me afterwards.)

Ngog has that, and can actually lead the line, even if he is inexperienced.

I think that is why he was preferred in front of the others.

Speed, Strength and Skills, he ain't got it as a striker. No time for him to develop. we'e not in an academy league. I'd say give Nemeth the chance, some raw talent must come thru the ranks. Kelly did a good job yesterday as if he was a regular, shame on those senior who're just playing for the paycheck.

I basically agree with Tomas' point above, and much though I think Nemeth has a chamce of becoming a fine player in time, he still has a lot of development to do in terms of physicality especially, so I'm not sure how we haven't got time for N'gog to improve but we do Nemeth?

This is what Rafa had to say about him according to Tomkins -

I mention Nemeth, and Rafa clearly likes him; but he needs first-team experience to toughen up. He’s definitely not out on loan to be offloaded, but at this stage Voronin, with his added experience (given that the first team is still very young, on average), was felt to be the better option as back-up second-striker.

In the long term we may well benefit far more from Nemeth getting a full season's competitative play under his belt than we would have for throwing him in at the deep end this year in the most physical league around.

[SB]

watching amoo and ecclestone again tonight and cant help but think i would prefer them ahead of n;gog they just seem to have more about them

Your comparing a couple of kids playing reserve level against a kid playing in the CL against Lyon. Like that'll work

[Zapater]

I quite like Ngog. I don't know if he'll develop to be a player considered good enough to be a big player for us but as he progresses I think he can be a good squad player that can chip in with some goals. I think he's relatively strong and can hold up the ball well. He plays with his back to goal and could give us a different option if he is to improve. He's very young so I think that some patience is required when it comes to him. He's shown glimpses and I'm sure if we had won this game people wouldn't be making threads like this. I think it's a bit harsh really.

[ufc43]

Thoughts

Not another bashing thread please

Why if anyone gives their opinion do people say this. Is this not what a forum is about?

I didnt notice Ngog being at fault for the first goal but the second goal was a combination of two things. Insua's lack of pace and Carraghers lack of awareness. If you watch the second goal you will see Insua get skinned but more annoying is that from the time the Lyon player picks up the ball Carragher never once looks over his shoulder to check if anyone is around???
He just runs back and then is amazed when the Lyon striker 'pops up from nowhere' to score.
Not bashing anyone, just giving my opinion.