Ryan Babel

[Harv]

****ing hell. Close the door on your way out, ****face.

[-V-]

Looking at his quotes in the echo, he has to go. He doesn't fit in and his head is clearly ****ed. He actually thinks he has tried hard and proved himself.

I do think that he has been badly managed by Rafa, because the manager doesn't know how to manage flair players. But Babel hasn't helped himself with his attitude and for me we should cut our losses and move him on

[Vermilion]

Babel.

[Guest]

I do think that he has been badly managed by Rafa, because the manager doesn't know how to manage flair players.

Torres, Gerrard, Garcia, Benayoun ... What are you on about? Babel is plain daft, the article shows that. He's his own downfall, he's like a cry baby who can't help himself FFS.

[Exiled_red]

from the Echo mate

That's shocking, i think it's safe to say that there's no turning back for him now he's on a one way ticket out of here!

[Tee]

Torres, Gerrard, Garcia, Benayoun.

All arguable IMO.

[Shaggy]

All arguable IMO.

Arguable?!?! Gerrard and Torres?!?! Benitez has single-handedly transformed Gerrard into the world class attacking midfielder/second striker he is today!!! Unquestionably. Look at his goal record pre-Rafa and compare it to his record under Benitez.

As for Torres…….surely you jest?

[Vermilion]

All arguable IMO.

In what way, that there's an argument to whether Rafa has got the best out of these players.

Think they've all excelled under him myself, well 3 for sure, Garcia blew hot and cold, but judging on what he did before and after being at LFC i'd say Rafa got the best out him too.

[Tee]

Arguable?!?! Gerrard and Torres?!?! Benitez has single-handedly transformed Gerrard into the world class attacking midfielder/second striker he is today!!! Unquestionably. Look at his goal record pre-Rafa and compare it to his record under Benitez.

As for Torres…….surely you jest?

OK, Torres aside Gerrard nearly left us a couple of times remember? And I still think he is a CM, just my opinion.

Benayoun has played his way in, exactly how it should be, but before that he was struggling and there was talk of him moving on.

My problem with Rafa is he is just not a capable enough man-manager, and if he was we would have already won the league IMO. It is so frustrating.

He is just too scientific in his approach and I wish he understood more the human element and the massive impact a players mental state can have on their game.

Babel has lost all confidence and patience and his outbursts are not surprising, merely a prequel to an imminent departure. He has shown his lack of class and it is a shame he could not follow Benni's example.

[Harv]

If Babel was taking a **** in the stall next to me and had no bog roll, i wouldn't spare him any....not a square! I hate him that much.

He'd have to walk around with a ****ty arse all day, prick.

[Guest]

OK, Torres aside Gerrard nearly left us a couple of times remember? And I still think he is a CM, just my opinion.

Benayoun has played his way in, exactly how it should be, but before that he was struggling and there was talk of him moving on.

My problem with Rafa is he is just not a capable enough man-manager, and if he was we would have already won the league IMO. It is so frustrating.

He is just too scientific in his approach and I wish he understood more the human element and the massive impact a players mental state can have on their game.

Babel has lost all confidence and patience and his outbursts are not surprising, merely a prequel to an imminent departure. He has shown his lack of class and it is a shame he could not follow Benni's example.

Stop reading the newspaper ****e mate, you're clearly getting influenced by all the ****e via pundits and all. Don't let a bad run of results cloud your judgement and the groundwork Rafa has done at the club.

As for Rafa being a bad man manager, well I think you there's no manager who puts their arm around player's shoulders anymore if you ask me. He does it the way it should be done.

Benayoun has turned out to be one of our most important players as he's finally got to grips with Rafa's system. He can pretty much express himself in the way he likes in Rafa's team, drifting infield and either sides and allies this to tremendous hard work to work back when he's not in possession.

What do you mean by Gerrard being close to leaving us twice? What has this got to do with Rafa?

[the rev leeroy brown]

OK, Torres aside Gerrard nearly left us a couple of times remember? And I still think he is a CM, just my opinion.

Benayoun has played his way in, exactly how it should be, but before that he was struggling and there was talk of him moving on.

My problem with Rafa is he is just not a capable enough man-manager, and if he was we would have already won the league IMO. It is so frustrating.

He is just too scientific in his approach and I wish he understood more the human element and the massive impact a players mental state can have on their game.

Babel has lost all confidence and patience and his outbursts are not surprising, merely a prequel to an imminent departure. He has shown his lack of class and it is a shame he could not follow Benni's example.

couldn't agree more on the first part. rafa is definately not a capable man manager. for anyone to argue he is, is just pedantic. he has struggled countless times to fit players into his team ( benni, garcia, gerard) with ste being the only real exception to that as he seems to have found his place - albeit at present i wish rafa would put him back into cm.

babel has been systematically deconstructed by rafa IMO and i dont blame him onbe bit for what he has said. every single person out there would be heartbroken at constantly being told your for the future, constantly being overlooked in place of inferior players and never given the chance that so many others who at present are clearly not performing seem to get. i'm surprised he isn't complaining more to be honest.

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couldn't agree more on the first part. rafa is definately not a capable man manager. for anyone to argue he is, is just pedantic. he has struggled countless times to fit players into his team ( benni, garcia, gerard) with ste being the only real exception to that as he seems to have found his place - albeit at present i wish rafa would put him back into cm.

babel has been systematically deconstructed by rafa IMO and i dont blame him onbe bit for what he has said. every single person out there would be heartbroken at constantly being told your for the future, constantly being overlooked in place of inferior players and never given the chance that so many others who at present are clearly not performing seem to get. i'm surprised he isn't complaining more to be honest.

sorry to be a pedant, but can you tell me why he isnt a good man manager?

as far as i am aware, people like o neil and redknapp who are according to media aresome of the best man managers ( bollocks imo) seem to fall out with more players than Rafa....Rafa treats everyone equal and rewards hard work imo.

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[QUOTE=the rev leeroy brown;1463094] couldn't agree more on the first part. rafa is definately not a capable man manager. for anyone to argue he is, is just pedantic. he has struggled countless times to fit players into his team ( benni, garcia, gerard) with ste being the only real exception to that as he seems to have found his place - albeit at present i wish rafa would put him back into cm.

babel has been systematically deconstructed by rafa IMO and i dont blame him onbe bit for what he has said. every single person out there would be heartbroken at constantly being told your for the future, constantly being overlooked in place of inferior players and never given the chance that so many others who at present are clearly not performing seem to get. i'm surprised he isn't complaining more to be honest.[/[/B][/B]QUOTE]

Babel seems to have you won u over then.......

Personally i reckon he talks a good game, delivers **** all where it matters, on the field oh and on the training ground as well

MAybe Rafa keeps offering him a chance to prove himself and he fails to deliver everytime?

I would be heartboken if i gave it all, only babel knows iif he did......you think he did, i am not so sure....in fact i am, i reckon he didnt

[the rev leeroy brown]

sorry to be a pedant, but can you tell me why he isnt a good man manager?

as far as i am aware, people like o neil and redknapp who are according to media aresome of the best man managers ( bollocks imo) seem to fall out with more players than Rafa....Rafa treats everyone equal and rewards hard work imo.

becasue every autobiography that has come out, every ex-player has come out and siad so. he is cold and distant and never explains a thing whenever they ask over team selections etc.... jose mourinho is a great man manager. not a single ex player will say different. he gets the team together like brothers. he interacts with them. he explain choices to them. i hate to sy it but so is redknapp for same reasons. Rafa, for sure, is not a good man manager.