Why wait until the end of the season?

[Vermilion]

Was just thinking of the utter turmoil this club would be thrown into if Rafa were to go, especially with no Proven Big Name to take over, if that were to happen we would be overwhelmed by rumour of player revolts, players wanting out, etc etc, true or not that's what we'd get, along with an attempt by the media to wash our dirty laundry out in public, it would truly set us back years, and would be far more detremantal to the club than one bad season. Just my opinion.

I think as far as player effort go's, with many returning from injury, some of our players have one eye on being fit for the world cup too, with the season already a failure, as far as winning the title is concerned, i do wonder sometimes that being in SA is now a priority for some, whether intentionally or subconciously i think it's now an issue.

[EwarWoo]

Rumours eminating off RAWK that there's a press conference at 3.30 today.

What's the betting come 3:30 there'll be rumours abound of a press conference tomorrow

[Slinky Skills]

What's the betting come 3:30 there'll be rumours abound of a press conference tomorrow

I think you're right there chap!!

[cream]

What's the betting come 3:30 there'll be rumours abound of a press conference tomorrow

I'll be happy to start that one if it's okay with everyone else

[red g]

I'll be happy to start that one if it's okay with everyone else

well as it was on some other forum why change the habit of a lifetime

[red g]

ok yeah, he hasn't had the control he should have had, till recently, but i think that every manager that comes to a new club, especially one so in need of an overhaul, starts by sorting out the defence, and building things on from there, but as far as i can see rafa hasn't built on from there, or even hasn't been willing to build on from there. one could argue that the financial restraints had a part in that, but there are teams with less money than us, who spend it on players who can play. and it's not just all about money, it's finding the right players. how come wigan have had so much success recently with "flair" players from south america, but most of rafa's buys from there seem like utter turd. bad scouting maybe?
i agree local players should not be treated differently to others but they are, if not for anything else it's for uefa's quotas to be met. would spearing be even close to the first team if he was from, say paraguay?

anyhow my initial point from which i strayed from, was that liverpool as a club need to think where they're heading, what they want, and how to achieve that, and not only regarding on-pitch matters but the club as a whole, and the second question should be, is rafa the right man to be trusted such an important task.



i like sammy, and i agree that trying to make bolton play, is like finding a likeable scum fan, but i think that he's too nice a guy to be a manager, but is a great assistant manager

who are these flair players that are utter turd players for us? bit harsh!!
also who are the flair south americans fom Wigan? roddallega is a quality player but he as was 5million.......more money than we have

[Rafa_el_Gafa]

Rafa should go because he picks the wrong side and signs average players.

He doesn't pick his strongest 11 every game and I don't know any Liverpool fan who would have picked Dossena at the weekend. I also don't know many Liverpool fans who would pick Lucas and Insua in their starting 11.

I don't know why our player of the year so far (Yossi) doesn't play every week..


I love you Rafa, but you have lost the plot.

[Pablo]

Well 11am has come and gone...

And so has 3.30pm..

[BG1973]

I absolutely do not get that argument. We have had a bad patch during every single one of Rafa's seasons with us. The pro-Rafas like to accuse the antis of having short term memories and kneejerk attitudes, yet themselves seem to rewrite our previous seasons under the man. His first season was an absolute shocker Premiership-wise, the following 3 were 4th-place scrapers and last season, when we had the lead at Xmas and the opportunity to take advantage of other team's bad patches, he indulged in a mid-season breakdown. He is unstable and unreliable, and takes advantage of the Kop's faithful attitude and our by now quite frankly moronic "We are not a sacking club" ethos.

you'd probably get it more if you paid attention.

In one of those 3 seasons of 4th place scraping we actually finished 3rd - 15 points above wonderful Arsenal who finished 4th.

[BillobShaisley]

Rafa should go because he picks the wrong side and signs average players.

He doesn't pick his strongest 11 every game and I don't know any Liverpool fan who would have picked Dossena at the weekend. I also don't know many Liverpool fans who would pick Lucas and Insua in their starting 11.

I don't know why our player of the year so far (Yossi) doesn't play every week..


I love you Rafa, but you have lost the plot.

I've seen a few on here saying the Dross should be playing left wing. I think they're mental, but Rafa's not the only one. However nobody plays their 1st team every week not fergie, ancelotti or even Mccarthy we should have been able to put out any first team and beaten portsmouth, about time the players started accepting some responsibility for their own **** performances and pulled their ****ing fingers out. These are the same players in the same formation as last year who are producing **** all.

A bit of movement off the ball wouldn't go amiss!

[Rafa_el_Gafa]

I've seen a few on here saying the Dross should be playing left wing. I think they're mental, but Rafa's not the only one. However nobody plays their 1st team every week not fergie, ancelotti or even Mccarthy we should have been able to put out any first team and beaten portsmouth, about time the players started accepting some responsibility for their own **** performances and pulled their ****ing fingers out. These are the same players in the same formation as last year who are producing **** all.

A bit of movement off the ball wouldn't go amiss!

Ancelotti/Fergie have the pleasure of winning games and can rest players.

We are in a awful run of form, so you pick your best 11 every week. You pick your form players every week.

McCarthy, has 9 points from 12. He also can justify resting players. Rafa can't

[SK]

who are these flair players that are utter turd players for us? bit harsh!!
also who are the flair south americans fom Wigan? roddallega is a quality player but he as was 5million.......more money than we have

first of i might have exagerated on the "flair" remark, but mark gonzalez is the first to spring to mind, lucas very much undecided for (and this is not meant to be a lucas bashing comment!), and going on to the not so creative players - palletta was an apparent flop, on the other side insua seems to be solid, and aurelio is a qualitiy player for the 2 months per year when he's fully fit.

wigan have brought a couple of quality south americans to the preimership in recent times, most obvious would be valencia and rodallega, and then when you consider they've also bought hendry thomas, figueroa, and signed palacios on a permanent basis after birmingham didn't want to. i just can't help thinking that with better scouting, we might have signed one of these players for small money, and they'd solve some of the problem we have, either with creativity, aerial ability or set pieces.

[fah-q]

Chap on RAOTL just posted this. (He has 40k+ posts, so should be reliable...ish. Maybe? Perhaps?) :

Just as I posted the above my phone rings, and this lad only ever rings when he's got some gossip and wants to know if I've heard anything.

Before I even said hello I answered it and said "alright mate are you going to the press conference in the morning?".

He reckons he's got it from a mate of one the players. Could be a long night this...

Does he normally say hello before answering the phone?

[fah-q]

Rafa should go because he picks the wrong side and signs average players.

He doesn't pick his strongest 11 every game and I don't know any Liverpool fan who would have picked Dossena at the weekend. I also don't know many Liverpool fans who would pick Lucas and Insua in their starting 11.

I don't know why our player of the year so far (Yossi) doesn't play every week..


I love you Rafa, but you have lost the plot.

Yossi, who has played in every league game this season you mean?

[Vermilion]

first of i might have exagerated on the "flair" remark, but mark gonzalez is the first to spring to mind, lucas very much undecided for (and this is not meant to be a lucas bashing comment!), and going on to the not so creative players - palletta was an apparent flop, on the other side insua seems to be solid, and aurelio is a qualitiy player for the 2 months per year when he's fully fit.

wigan have brought a couple of quality south americans to the preimership in recent times, most obvious would be valencia and rodallega, and then when you consider they've also bought hendry thomas, figueroa, and signed palacios on a permanent basis after birmingham didn't want to. i just can't help thinking that with better scouting, we might have signed one of these players for small money, and they'd solve some of the problem we have, either with creativity, aerial ability or set pieces.

Mark Gonzalez, but wasn't he a player we had little choice in taking, part of a player plus cash deal for Owen, and the choice of player we were given didn't include anyone of note as i recall, with the time left on Owens contract we had little choice in the matter once Owen stated his desire.

Rafa gave Gonzalez a go, nothing much to lose really, i hardly think he's a player that Rafa should ultimately be judged on.