Harry Redknapp can't count

[Harv]

And he won Pompey the FA Cup and took them to europe, something else which is far beyond their usual expectations.

Who's totally ****ed up the club. Him and Storrie. And I don't buy the he only spends what he's given nonsense. He's got a brain (allegedly) and knows that Portsmouth couldn't possibly have generated enough cash to afford all the players he bought. At some point he should have realised it couldn't continue - oh yeah he did - he was lucky enough to be offered the Spurs job! Amazing luck!

'Arry is a decent enough manager but he isn't even approaching great.

Who is actually claiming that though?

People are saying he's ****, and overrated......who is overrating him?

He's a good manager, not brilliant, but good. He always over achieves with his sides, which IMO is a sign of a pretty good manager. His teams also play good football whilst doing it, another sign of a good manager.

How has he ****ed the club up?? I see all this blame being thrown at him.....but nobody can actually tell me why, apart from "He's dodgy". "He's dodgy" is not an answer. Thats totally ambiguous.

What manager in their right mind is going to refuse transfer funds?? Your clearly mental if you think any of them would say "No you keep it boss, we really shouldn't be spending that much money, we're Portsmouth, not Man Utd"

People gave him money to spend, so he spent it.....Rafa's doen that as well. And he's bought some ****ing ****house players with the money he's been given. Hey, maybe Rafa is really to blame for our crap financial position? He's bought **** players, and has won nothing for 3 seasons.

[Harv]

Harry, Peter Storrie, Tanya Robbins the finance director, all three have a lot to answer for

All three were in cahoots? With a master plan to grind the club into the ground and take the owners to the cleaners with bungs and brown paper bags?

[Kenneth]

I was trying to say don't dismiss him as being innocent or unknowing.

Apologies for being cryptic but we've been told not to discuss or comment about Portsmouth publicly As things are very sensitive at present so it's difficult for me to divulge anything with any kind of clarity. I don't even want to say on a public forum how it is I have come to know about the Pompey situation, although people on ST will know.

No worries

[Craig_H]

I think that UK's point is that the difference between Spurs' and Liverpool's spend is such a negligible amount. Fair enough for Harry to mention Man City, but its ridiculous of him to say that the pressure is on us to finish ahead of Spurs because we 'spent' a whopping £3m more!

Ok, well if we want to be exact and technical about it, let's actually look at what Harry said:

Tottenham Hotspur boss Harry Redknapp believes the race for a position in the Premier League’s top four will go all the way, but claims all the pressure should be on Manchester City and Liverpool because of the money they have spent. Spurs are vying with aforementioned, Aston Villa and potentially Everton FC, and while the White Hart Lane supremo believes they have a chance to join the likes of Manchester United, Chelsea FC and Arsenal FC in the Champions League this season, Redknapp suggests it is too tight to call.Tottenham Hotspur face Everton FC this weekend, knowing a victory would all but rule David Moyes’ side out of the running, but he believes all the pressure should be on Manchester City, who face Premier League leaders Chelsea FC tomorrow and Liverpool FC, who play Blackburn Rovers, because of the money they have spent on their respective sides in recent years. Redknapp intimates Spurs, Aston Villa and Everton FC have not outlaid as much on their sides as the aforementioned pair.

The Tottenham manager expressed his surprise at Liverpool FC’s woes this season, but suggested they would be boosted by the return of Glen Johnson and Fernando Torres, but claimed the pressure should be on them and Manchester City because they have spent more than them and their nearest rivals Aston Villa and Everton.

The Tottenham Hotspur manager told the Sun: “At the moment, four teams are trying to get the fourth Premier League spot.”

“I would not rule out Everton - but if we beat them on Sunday, it will be very tough for them as the gap between us would be 11 points.”

“But I don't see the end of the season being straight-forward. I think there's every chance we will go into the final game still not knowing who will finish fourth.”

“I didn't expect Liverpool to be where they are this season - my prediction was they would challenge for the title, particularly after last season.”

“But they have Fernando Torres playing again while Glen Johnson is also returning to fitness.”

“That's a bonus for them and I'm sure everyone at Anfield fancies their chances of making the Champions League again.”


“Compared to ourselves and Aston Villa, I still believe there is more pressure on Liverpool and Manchester City, when you consider what they spent in the summer.”

Looking at the parts in bold (having now actually bothered to find the article, cos i hadnt read it all before), it's clear to me that he was only referring to Manchester City with the spending remark. He had already explained why he thinks Liverpool should be doing better, and it wasnt about spending, it was more to do with what we achieved last season.

The line "when you consider what they spent in the summer", when spoken audibly, would have had emphasis on 'they', because it would've been referring to City, when he mentions the spending in the summer.

So IMO, he was actually saying something along the lines of "Liverpool did very well last season. The pressure is on them (based on last season's achievements) and Man City, when you consider what they spent in the summer.

So in relation to the original post and the original poster, i think he may have missed the point of what Harry Redknapp was actually saying.

[Mark79]

Ok, well if we want to be exact and technical about it, let's actually look at what Harry said:



Looking at the parts in bold (having now actually bothered to find the article, cos i hadnt read it all before), it's clear to me that he was only referring to Manchester City with the spending remark. He had already explained why he thinks Liverpool should be doing better, and it wasnt about spending, it was more to do with what we achieved last season.

The line "when you consider what they spent in the summer", when spoken audibly, would have had emphasis on 'they', because it would've been referring to City, when he mentions the spending in the summer.

So IMO, he was actually saying something along the lines of "Liverpool did very well last season. The pressure is on them (based on last season's achievements) and Man City, when you consider what they spent in the summer.

So in relation to the original post and the original poster, i think he may have missed the point of what Harry Redknapp was actually saying.

I thought that might have been it as well, though we'd have to actually hear the quote to be certain. In fairness to the op, the author does state that Harry believes the pressure is on Liverpool because of the money we've spent. Although he may have been referring to the money spent on the squad overall, rather than just in the summer.

[Armchairkopite]

What's integrity got to do with how good a football manager he is?

John Terry is a superb defender, but clearly lacks integrity.

How are the two inter linked?

Imo that has weakened the characters of the people ion question therefore it does take them down a level, didn't Terry lose the captains armband??

I guess you would have to ask a potential suitor, lets say for Harry.Let say he is being reviewed by the Madrid board for the position of manager, do you think his mannerisms and past transfer dealings/scandals would have any effect whatsoever on them picking him to become the next manager.

[Craig_H]

Real Madrid's a really great example to use, as a club who'd be bothered about alleged dodgy deals and scandals, eh?

[Armchairkopite]

Real Madrid's a really great example to use, as a club who'd be bothered about alleged dodgy deals and scandals, eh?

Yes, anyway you see the two are inter linked, thats whats important.

[dww]

from what they say the wage bill is bigger than the income not sure harry would have known the wages v income.

he may but i wouldnt bet 100% that he knew that. also if you have a rich benefactor who says he will bankroll the club then you assume they have the money to do what they say.

Harry is a good manager but nothing great but then not many are great its what sets them apart as great.

The thing is though that the year before (at least) they won the FA cup it was common knowledge that their wage bill was 75% of turnover. Which is fairly obviously unsustainable. You add in the personal relationship between Harry and Mandaric and you have to assume he was pretty in the loop.

On some levels the argument that he shouldn't have to care about the finances is fair enough but to not care in such circumstances is at best pretty cold and short sighted and at worst opportunist and parasitic. To have no idea of the state of finances would have been a pretty staggering achievement in terms of willfully putting your head in the sand.

On some levels a selfish careerist decision from Harry is exactly in tune with the way football is going. It doesn't make it any less lamentable if you ask me. What I dislike in particular is the way that he is portrayed as a 'football man', when he is totally willing to leave a club in ruins if it means he can advance himself. So far in his career with the exception, perhaps, of Bournemouth every club he has left as a manager he has left in a financial crisis. Is he solely to blame for it, no. Obviously there should be financial checks and owners, investors and directors bare every bit as much blame but he should not be allowed to be free of any responsibility.

[Robster007]

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[BillobShaisley]

And he won Pompey the FA Cup and took them to europe, something else which is far beyond their usual expectations.

Who's totally ****ed up the club. Him and Storrie. And I don't buy the he only spends what he's given nonsense. He's got a brain (allegedly) and knows that Portsmouth couldn't possibly have generated enough cash to afford all the players he bought. At some point he should have realised it couldn't continue - oh yeah he did - he was lucky enough to be offered the Spurs job! Amazing luck!

'Arry is a decent enough manager but he isn't even approaching great.

I'd like to see what he spent on who and how much the recouped selling those players. I'd wager the club turned a profit on Harry's purchases?

[Scratch]

People talk about Harry Redknapp not winning trophies, but how many big enough clubs has he ever managed? Bournemouth, West Ham, Portsmouth, Southampton, Portsmouth again and now Spurs.

It's not like he's gone to clubs who should be winning things and were bringing home trophies before he stepped in and 'ruined' it.


He's a very good manager.

If he was a "very good manager" then he would have managed a "very good" club but none of the "very good" clubs have ever been interested in employing him...there will be a reason for this, and that is that he just isn't any good in the eyes of said "very good" clubs.

[carheex]

Was that the final when they beat Cardiff??
Does anyone know who they beat to get to the final??

What's that got to do with anything? It's like saying some of our european success is meaningless because we beat **** teams.

I don't know what people have got against harry redknapp - he strikes me as a very good manager who gets the best out of his players. I can't think of a better english manager off the top of my head.

[carheex]

If he was a "very good manager" then he would have managed a "very good" club but none of the "very good" clubs have ever been interested in employing him...there will be a reason for this, and that is that he just isn't any good in the eyes of said "very good" clubs.

Define "very good". Do you mean top 4 in the prem.......

It's far easier to manage a top club and keep them at their level than it is to manage an average club and take them on to a higher level. Redknapp is doing a better than Rafa this season so give him a break.

[carheex]

I think that UK's point is that the difference between Spurs' and Liverpool's spend is such a negligible amount. Fair enough for Harry to mention Man City, but its ridiculous of him to say that the pressure is on us to finish ahead of Spurs because we 'spent' a whopping £3m more!

Disagree. The pressure is more on us as we have a massive debt to manage and CL qualification is vital to our future. And as a club with the history we have the expectation is much higher. Liverpool are under the most pressure by far to get 4th place, no question about it.