Harry Redknapp can't count

[The Birdman]

What's that got to do with anything? It's like saying some of our european success is meaningless because we beat **** teams.

I don't know what people have got against harry redknapp - he strikes me as a very good manager who gets the best out of his players. I can't think of a better english manager off the top of my head.

Get off your ****ing high horse mate, I was only clarifying if I had the right final and was interested in who else they beat, nothing more than that.

But while you're at it which of our European success to you deem to be meaningless because we beat **** teams??
I personally can't think of any but I'm sure you'll put me right....

[Craig_H]

If he was a "very good manager" then he would have managed a "very good" club but none of the "very good" clubs have ever been interested in employing him...there will be a reason for this, and that is that he just isn't any good in the eyes of said "very good" clubs.

Or maybe they just dont want a real life Del Boy in charge...

[Scratch]

Or maybe they just dont want a real life Del Boy in charge...

Or he just ain't that good...good enough for a mid-table club, but just not good enough to make the step-up to the big leagues...can you see 'Arry taking over from Ferguson or Wenger, or Rafa, when they eventually leave? I think, when all is said and done and he's sat in his retirement home, managing Spurs will be the pinnacle of his career, and the trophy won with Portsmouth (sadly no longer in existence) will be the only piece of silverware he can reflect upon. Is that what a very good manager should aspire to?

[Craig_H]

When you've managed Bournemouth, West Ham, Southampton and Pompey for the first 90% of your career, you're hardly going to have a collection of trophies and medals, are you?

Compared to the level of the clubs he's had, he's done a very good job.

You sit there slating him, fair enough - but he's done better than Rafa's done, this season.

[Guest]

You sit there slating him, fair enough - but he's done better than Rafa's done, this season.

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[carheex]

Get off your ****ing high horse mate, I was only clarifying if I had the right final and was interested in who else they beat, nothing more than that.

But while you're at it which of our European success to you deem to be meaningless because we beat **** teams??
I personally can't think of any but I'm sure you'll put me right....

Well, Portsmouth beat some team called Man Utd on their way to the final (whilst we were losing to barnsley!).

Borussia Moenchengladbach, FC Bruges, Alaves......just some of the european giants we've defetaed in finals!

The point is, Redknapp lifted portsmouth way, WAY up above their expectations - he won the FA cup for the club for the first time in 70 years. If that's not an achievement that deserves respect I don;t know what is.

[Exiled_red]

When you've managed Bournemouth, West Ham, Southampton and Pompey for the first 90% of your career, you're hardly going to have a collection of trophies and medals, are you?

Compared to the level of the clubs he's had, he's done a very good job.

You sit there slating him, fair enough - but he's done better than Rafa's done, this season.

In terms of points yes Spurs are 1 point above us in the table. But given we've had an awful season with large numbers of injuries and spurs are having a great season is it that clear cut? Also add to that the fact that Spurs have a net spend of ~£60m over the last couple of years whilest our is ~zero over the same period. I suppose it depends what you use as a basis for comparison.

[Craig_H]

In terms of points yes Spurs are 1 point above us in the table. But given we've had an awful season with large numbers of injuries and spurs are having a great season is it that clear cut? Also add to that the fact that Spurs have a net spend of ~£60m over the last couple of years whilest our is ~zero over the same period. I suppose it depends what you use as a basis for comparison.

Obviously we have higher standards than them, but they're competing with us for 4th place, so really, who has done better?

Clue - it aint Rafa.

[Exiled_red]

Well, Portsmouth beat some team called Man Utd on their way to the final (whilst we were losing to barnsley!).

Borussia Moenchengladbach, FC Bruges, Alaves......just some of the european giants we've defetaed in finals!

The point is, Redknapp lifted portsmouth way, WAY up above their expectations - he won the FA cup for the club for the first time in 70 years. If that's not an achievement that deserves respect I don;t know what is.

One of the things that annoys me about people making this arguement is that they judge the club on their profile now, at which point Borussia Moenchengladbach aren't a big club. At the time we played them they were dominating German football, between 1970 and 1977 they won 5 German league titles, so it's not as if this were an easy tie or they were lucky to get through, at the time they were a very good side.

[Craig_H]

One of the things that annoys me about people making this arguement is that they judge the club on their profile now, at which point Borussia Moenchengladbach aren't a big club. At the time we played them they were dominating German football, between 1970 and 1977 they won 5 German league titles, so it's not as if this were an easy tie or they were lucky to get through, at the time they were a very good side.

[Exiled_red]

Obviously we have higher standards than them, but they're competing with us for 4th place, so really, who has done better?

Clue - it aint Rafa.

No I'm admitting that Redknapp has doen better in terms of points, and the respective clubs 'normal expectations' but in terms of the clubs 'normal spending' their spending power has increased, whilst ours has decreased, so this has some impact, the relative changes in fortunes aren't solely due to manager ability. As such I'm not sure of the validity of the comparison.

[Craig_H]

You can talk of relative spending etc, but would you swap our squad for their's?

I wouldnt. We have a better overall squad IMO and yet, they're above us.

Redknapp cant be that much of a donkey, as some seem to be claiming.

[Scratch]

When you've managed Bournemouth, West Ham, Southampton and Pompey for the first 90% of your career, you're hardly going to have a collection of trophies and medals, are you?

Compared to the level of the clubs he's had, he's done a very good job.

You sit there slating him, fair enough - but he's done better than Rafa's done, this season.

And why has he only managed these clubs for 90% of his career if he's so good? Why hasn't he stepped up to the plate sooner? Spurs is the high point of his managerial career to date, a career that has spanned 3 decades and has just entered it's fourth; the 80's, the 90's, the 00's and now the 10's. In all that time he has been at Bournemouth, West Ham, Portsmouth, Southampton and finally Spurs. If he was so good, why has a big club not come in for him much, much sooner. Why has he instead been a relegation/mid table club journey man? Is it by choice? Or is he just not good enough to manage a top team?

He's done better than Rafa this season....that's debatable in my book, but even if i do agree with you that putting high flying Spurs one point above us is doing better, well the season ain't over yet so it could all yet change. Besides, Moyes did better than Rafa one season, does that mean he's a better manager, or was that just a blip in an otherwise unsuccessful Everton managerial career?

[carheex]

One of the things that annoys me about people making this arguement is that they judge the club on their profile now, at which point Borussia Moenchengladbach aren't a big club. At the time we played them they were dominating German football, between 1970 and 1977 they won 5 German league titles, so it's not as if this were an easy tie or they were lucky to get through, at the time they were a very good side.

Fine, you've defended one of the clubs I mentioned. Next....In fact, don't bother - it has nothing to do with whether Redknapp is a good manager or not. If you don't think that winning the FA cup for portsmouth for the 1st time in 70 years isn't a spectacular acheievement then that's your problem. And if you think he's a **** manager, whilst he's sitting 2 places above us in CL qualification position then that's you're problem too.

I'd be interested to know who you currently rate as a fantastic manager and why.....

[Exiled_red]

You can talk of relative spending etc, but would you swap our squad for their's?

I wouldnt. We have a better overall squad IMO and yet, they're above us.

Redknapp cant be that much of a donkey, as some seem to be claiming.

No. But we've had a crazy number of injuries this season: Gerrard, Torres, Johnson, Riera, Aquilani (ok we knew about that to some extent), Agger all of whom if we'd sat down at the start of the season would have been in our strongest 11 and all of whom have missed large parts of the season. Add to that the likes of Skrtel, Aurelio and Benayoun also being out...

I honestly believe if we'd had a 'normal' amount of injuries we'd be up there challenging for the title, as it is for the majority of the season we've been luckly if we can get 6 or 7 of what we would deem our best 11 out.