Harry Redknapp can't count

[Scratch]

You can talk of relative spending etc, but would you swap our squad for their's?

I wouldnt. We have a better overall squad IMO and yet, they're above us.

Redknapp cant be that much of a donkey, as some seem to be claiming.

We do have a better squad, but when that better squad is missing its better players for over half a season (Torres, Gerrard, Johnson, Agger etc) and is still only one point of that vital CL place then i reckon Rafa has done miracles...put it this way, would United cope without Rooney, Fletcher, Evra and Vidic out, at the same time, for chunks of the season and still be competing for the title? Would they ****...in fact, without Rooney i reckon they'd be in a similar situation to us, who have been without Torres. It's all relative, not black and white like you want to see it.

Redknapp has a good squad, yet is still only just ahead of us...and come the end of the season, if we keep our players fit and they keep theirs fit, would you like to wager on who'd be ahead in the league standings?

[Exiled_red]

Fine, you've defended one of the clubs I mentioned. Next....In fact, don't bother - it has nothing to do with whether Redknapp is a good manager or not. If you don't think that winning the FA cup for portsmouth for the 1st time in 70 years isn't a spectacular acheievement then that's your problem. And if you think he's a **** manager, whilst he's sitting 2 places above us in CL qualification position then that's you're problem too.

I'd be interested to know who you currently rate as a fantastic manager and why.....

Sorry I went off topic a bit there, I wasn't using that as a critisism of Redknapp, winning the cup with Portsmouth is undoubtedly a great achivement. It's just I had the Borussia Moenchengladbach arguement with someone at the weekend, and it was fresh in my mind.

[the rev leeroy brown]

i'd argue that ours and spurs squads are equal. they dont have the torres or ste but they have much better strength in depth. when we lose torres we're ****ed......when we lose johnson we're ****ed....when we lose mas we're ****ed....they have 4 good strikers, 3 good right backs and a good squad of central midfielders ( pretty much all of whom are ****ed right now thought ha ha ).

i wouldnt swap our squad for their's but i doubt they'd want ours either to be fair.

[The Birdman]

Well, Portsmouth beat some team called Man Utd on their way to the final (whilst we were losing to barnsley!).

Borussia Moenchengladbach, FC Bruges, Alaves......just some of the european giants we've defetaed in finals!

The point is, Redknapp lifted portsmouth way, WAY up above their expectations - he won the FA cup for the club for the first time in 70 years. If that's not an achievement that deserves respect I don;t know what is.

Your missing my point, I wasn't demeaning their achievement because it was Cardiff they beat in the final I was checking that I had the right final and wasn't barking up the wrong tree.
I also, just out of interest asked who else they beat. The reason I asked that is because I don't know the answer.

It depends on people's defination of 'very good' if you or others think a management career spanning 16 years with 95% spent in the PL and 1 final is 'very good' then fair enough.
I'll remind you that Steve McLaren in 5 years won 1 trophy and took Middlesboro' to a UEFA Cup Final so achieved far more in a shorter space of time and has brought success to Twente yet he is universally regarded as ****.

Redknapp has friends in the media which is an open secret as they were touting him for the England job, that's why he gets mostly good press and an easy ride

[carheex]

Your missing my point, I wasn't demeaning their achievement because it was Cardiff they beat in the final I was checking that I had the right final and wasn't barking up the wrong tree.
I also, just out of interest asked who else they beat. The reason I asked that is because I don't know the answer.

It depends on people's defination of 'very good' if you or others think a management career spanning 16 years with 95% spent in the PL and 1 final is 'very good' then fair enough.
I'll remind you that Steve McLaren in 5 years won 1 trophy and took Middlesboro' to a UEFA Cup Final so achieved far more in a shorter space of time and has brought success to Twente yet he is universally regarded as ****.

Redknapp has friends in the media which is an open secret as they were touting him for the England job, that's why he gets mostly good press and an easy ride

That's a load of old hairy balls and you know it. Still, you've made me laugh with the mere mention of "shteeve mclaren" at FC Twente!

[carheex]

i'd argue that ours and spurs squads are equal. they dont have the torres or ste but they have much better strength in depth. when we lose torres we're ****ed......when we lose johnson we're ****ed....when we lose mas we're ****ed....they have 4 good strikers, 3 good right backs and a good squad of central midfielders ( pretty much all of whom are ****ed right now thought ha ha ).

i wouldnt swap our squad for their's but i doubt they'd want ours either to be fair.

Spurs strength in depth is down to Harry's signings and management. Our weakness in depth is down to Rafa's signings. One of these managers has assembled a squad to cope with injuries and his team is in CL qualification spot, above expectation. The other manager hasn't and is struggling. Yet the manager who has cleverly considered his squad depth and is riding high is being slated as **** - unbelievable ignorance from some fans.

[red g]

i'd argue that ours and spurs squads are equal. they dont have the torres or ste but they have much better strength in depth. when we lose torres we're ****ed......when we lose johnson we're ****ed....when we lose mas we're ****ed....they have 4 good strikers, 3 good right backs and a good squad of central midfielders ( pretty much all of whom are ****ed right now thought ha ha ).

i wouldnt swap our squad for their's but i doubt they'd want ours either to be fair.

we have the World class talent with no back up and some average players in there.

I do think Spurs probably have on average a higher quality of player threoughout there squad

[Exiled_red]

we have the World class talent with no back up and some average players in there.

I do think Spurs probably have on average a higher quality of player threoughout there squad

This is an issue that has been going on on these boards for years, people have been complaining that we have been buying too many squad players rather than spending big on someone who will improve the first 11. The last year or so we've opted to sign players to improve the first 11, but when we get injuries we suffer as we're seeing at the moment.

We have a limited budget so this means we have to choose how best to spend our money, a strong first 11 or a squad with a weaker first 11 but with more strength in depth.

[Kenneth]

That's a load of old hairy balls and you know it. Still, you've made me laugh with the mere mention of "shteeve mclaren" at FC Twente!

Twente are doing very well. Second in the league with an incredible record. Lost one (to Ajax) and won something like 80% of their games this year.

[The Birdman]

That's a load of old hairy balls and you know it. Still, you've made me laugh with the mere mention of "shteeve mclaren" at FC Twente!

Are you a Liverpool or a Spurs fan?
I suppose you don't believe that the media gang up on Rafa and Liverpool either then hey.
Undeniabley if Rafa had spent what 'Arry has over the past couple of seasons he would be getting battered for not being top of the league let alone battling for 4th

[carheex]

Are you a Liverpool or a Spurs fan?
I suppose you don't believe that the media gang up on Rafa and Liverpool either then hey.
Undeniabley if Rafa had spent what 'Arry has over the past couple of seasons he would be getting battered for not being top of the league let alone battling for 4th

I'm a Liverpool fan - one of a dying breed that can respect others' achievements. And as for this bull**** about the media "ganging up on us".....grow up man! I see positive and negative media items concerning all clubs.
The difference between us not being top of the league and spurs not being top of the league is that for some bizarre reason we expect to be up there and come up with all manner of excuses when we don't win it.

There's also the small matter of us finishing 2nd last season and Spurs finishing 8th. Which side is improving and which side is going backwards? Even with that little fact I'm sure you think redknapp is ****e and any criticism coming ours/rafa's way is unjust.

[Mattshark]

Sorry I went off topic a bit there, I wasn't using that as a critisism of Redknapp, winning the cup with Portsmouth is undoubtedly a great achivement. It's just I had the Borussia Moenchengladbach arguement with someone at the weekend, and it was fresh in my mind.

Don't forget how good the Bruge team of the 70's were too.

Their is a reason they were both our first two UEFA and European cup final opponents.

[Shaggy]

One of the things that annoys me about people making this arguement is that they judge the club on their profile now, at which point Borussia Moenchengladbach aren't a big club. At the time we played them they were dominating German football, between 1970 and 1977 they won 5 German league titles, so it's not as if this were an easy tie or they were lucky to get through, at the time they were a very good side.

Yep, annoys me too. Totally moronic. Mancs always go on about that..."ooh you beat **** teams like St Etienne, Moenchengladbach, Bruges blah blah blah" - these were amongst the best sides around at the time, which is why they were competing in the European Cup FFS.

[Mark79]

Disagree. The pressure is more on us as we have a massive debt to manage and CL qualification is vital to our future. And as a club with the history we have the expectation is much higher. Liverpool are under the most pressure by far to get 4th place, no question about it.

Disagree with what, that we haven't outspent Spurs this season?
What you're saying is true but that isn't what Redknapp said at all.

Spurs have spent £150 in the past 20 months, thats second only to Man City and certainly much more than us.

So if pressure to finish 4th is relevant to money spent, as according to Harry himself, then surely its more than a little bit absurd of him to say that the onus is on us rather than them.

[carheex]

Disagree with what, that we haven't outspent Spurs this season?
What you're saying is true but that isn't what Redknapp said at all.

Spurs have spent £150 in the past 20 months, thats second only to Man City and certainly much more than us.

So if pressure to finish 4th is relevant to money spent, as according to Harry himself, then surely its more than a little bit absurd of him to say that the onus is on us rather than them.

The pressure IS more on us as we are servicing a massive debt and could be ****ed without CL money. Spurs aren't in such a precarious position as us.