Time to sell Gerrard

[Shaggy]

I have no intrest in the Arsenal/Henry thing .....you mentioned it......and you say why should you mention a replacement ? because your up for selling Gerrard .....and try to keep the swearing out ......i haven't sworn at you so there's no need for it from you...as for no player being bigger than the club ....same can be said for the manager.....we need to keep our star players not sell them and hope the newbies can do the biz....you think Lfc has the same pull without gerrard i don't

If I want to swear I'll ****ing well swear. I'm not swearing at you. We're all big boys round here and if you can't hack it then take yourself off to a nice family friendly forum.

Your posts are virtually unintelligible.

Henry was arguably Arsenal's greatest ever player. Gerrard the same for us. It is a relevant comparison. They weren't winning anything and flogged their best player. We're not winning anything either. Any differences are negligible and splitting hairs. You think LFC will collapse if Gerrard leaves, I don't.

[Craig_H]

It's easier to ship out your big names from a position of strength, obviously, but Arsenal were absolutely not in a position of strength when they sold Henry. They weren't winning anything.

They'd still been title challengers more often than not, and had the inner belief that they're always there or thereabouts.

[Shaggy]

They'd still been title challengers more often than not, and had the inner belief that they're always there or thereabouts.

We were challengers just last year, we've challenged in the CL virtually every year. The differences are negligible. The bottom line is they weren't winning anything, just like us.

[red g]

I think Gerrard would flourish under a change of leadership and a flourishing Gerrard is almost priceless*

and yes i know he flourished under Rafa previously but that seems a distant memory!

*40m+

[Guest]

It's virtually pointless building the team around Gerrard anymore, as Shaggy said he's 30 now and his best years seem to be behind him. He may show glimpses of his best from now on but I don't think he'll ever be as consistent as he was. You can be good for so long, I think time is going to catch up with Stevie now and he probably knows it, maybe explaining his frustration this season.

[Craig_H]

We were challengers just last year, we've challenged in the CL virtually every year. The differences are negligible. The bottom line is they weren't winning anything, just like us.

No but what i mean is they had the experience and belief from having been title challengers pretty much each year, and had also won a few as well.

They basically had that mentality banked, off the back of knowing what it was like to win the league and knowing what it takes.

We dont.

[red g]

It's virtually pointless building the team around Gerrard anymore, as Shaggy said he's 30 now and his best years seem to be behind him. He may show glimpses of his best from now on but I don't think he'll ever be as consistent as he was. You can be good for so long, I think time is going to catch up with Stevie now and he probably knows it, maybe explaining his frustration this season.

as i said before I cant think of anyone 30ish who has lost form so dramatically there has to be more to it i think.

I still think he has 3 to 4 seasons at the top and whether he wasnts to or not, he might just have to adapt his game and change into a different sort of player.

[Guest]

No but what i mean is they had the experience and belief from having been title challengers pretty much each year, and had also won a few as well.

They basically had that mentality banked, off the back of knowing what it was like to win the league and knowing what it takes.

We dont.

It's the player's responsibility also to play as best as they can so as to give us more chances to win a league. I dunno what you mean by 'mentality blanked', you seem to believe that a player is a sheep who gets drummed in every day that he's the best player in the world. That was maybe during the Shankly years but now it's a different kettle of fish, the player is paid much more money than a manager and can basically tell any manager to **** off, case in point Riera.

It also happened to Ferguson mind, he ended shipping out Beckham, Ince, Hughes and the likes ...

[Shaggy]

No but what i mean is they had the experience and belief from having been title challengers pretty much each year, and had also won a few as well.

They basically had that mentality banked, off the back of knowing what it was like to win the league and knowing what it takes.

We dont.

Loads of their players have no idea what it's like to win the league, in fact most of them.

[Guest]

as i said before I cant think of anyone 30ish who has lost form so dramatically there has to be more to it i think.

I still think he has 3 to 4 seasons at the top and whether he wasnts to or not, he might just have to adapt his game and change into a different sort of player.

Mate, of all people, Steven Gerrard is the one who probably does not need to be 'coaxed' into performing to his best, so I don't think your argument is valid.

[Craig_H]

Loads of their players have no idea what it's like to win the league, in fact most of them.

At the time that Henry went, they still had a big chunk of players who'd won the title. And they had a manager with the mentality of a PL winner.

[Craig_H]

It's the player's responsibility also to play as best as they can so as to give us more chances to win a league. I dunno what you mean by 'mentality blanked', you seem to believe that a player is a sheep who gets drummed in every day that he's the best player in the world. That was maybe during the Shankly years but now it's a different kettle of fish, the player is paid much more money than a manager and can basically tell any manager to **** off, case in point Riera.

It also happened to Ferguson mind, he ended shipping out Beckham, Ince, Hughes and the likes ...

I didnt say 'mentality blanked'.

It's quite simple fredo, when you've won the title, that experience, knowledge, know how and belief doesnt desert you, it's there in the bank and you can draw on it for future challenges. We dont have that.

I have no idea what you're on about with regards to players and sheep, drums and what-not. Perhaps you've accidentally stumbled on some bizarre fantasy of yours.

[Shaggy]

At the time that Henry went, they still had a big chunk of players who'd won the title. And they had a manager with the mentality of a PL winner.

If Toure, Gilberto Silva, Lehmann and Clichy represent a big chunk, then so be it.

[Guest]

I didnt say 'mentality blanked'.

It's quite simple fredo, when you've won the title, that experience, knowledge, know how and belief doesnt desert you, it's there in the bank and you can draw on it for future challenges. We dont have that.

I have no idea what you're on about with regards to players and sheep, drums and what-not. Perhaps you've accidentally stumbled on some bizarre fantasy of yours.

I agree with your first point. The first step to win it is always the most difficult to make.

[Craig_H]

If Toure, Gilberto Silva, Lehmann and Clichy represent a big chunk, then so be it.

Have you got a list of their squad from 2006 in front of you, or something?

It's the whole team though, not just the playing staff. The club had a mentality of winning the league, because they'd done it on several occasions, it's within the fabric of the place.