Spearing goes on loan

[Matt]

...to Leicester

From beeb:

Leicester City boss Nigel Pearson has completed the loan signing of Liverpool midfielder Jay Spearing.

Spearing has joined until the end of the season and could feature in Wednesday's home Championship fixture against Reading.

Chairman Milan Mandaric told the club website: "Jay is a great signing and that should be a big help to us."

The 21-year-old made his senior debut as a substitute in the Champions League against PSV Eindhoven in December 2008.

Adademy product Spearing has made five appearances for the Reds with his only Premier League start coming against Sunderland in October 2009.

Good opportunity.

[Shaggy]

Is Dave Martin still there? Ajdarevic went there too - is he still around? Hobbs definitely is. At least he'll know one or two.

Good move for him, he won't make it here.

[Matt]

Kinell it's an LFC graveyard. Maybe not such a good move after all

[dww]

Leicester look a good side this year. Play good football and have a defensive partnership of one former Cambridge and one former Liverpool player. No matter what happens to him in the future Spearing definitely needs to be playing competitive first team games somewhere now to progress.

Martin is at Derby FWIW.

[PTP]

i think that will be the last we see of him to be honest - once you get farmed out on loan that seems to be it.

[dww]

i think that will be the last we see of him to be honest - once you get farmed out on loan that seems to be it.

Not true of Kelly though is it?

[PTP]

hmm why? cause he has made 3 appearences for Liverpool. - Maybe if he goes on to make 50, then great i'd be made up - but i'd be shocked if he did. So if Martin Kelly is the one success story, of a player from liverpool going out on loan and then making it - should we list the not so successful

[Exiled_red]

It's probably for the best, the way things are going at the moment it's unlikely that any of the kids are going to get games this season, if we'd still been in the CL he'd have stayed as he was on the CL squad list, but first team football are what these guys need at the moment.

[dww]

hmm why? cause he has made 3 appearences for Liverpool. - Maybe if he goes on to make 50, then great i'd be made up - but i'd be shocked if he did. So if Martin Kelly is the one success story, of a player from liverpool going out on loan and then making it - should we list the not so successful

The point being that he wasn't being written off by going on loan which was the implication of your post. In fact he is at the head of the queue in terms of youth coming through to the first team with Pacheco and ahead of the likes of Spearing and derby who until now haven't been on loan.

I have a feeling we have done this before

[PTP]

if this is correct - here is a list of players sent out on loan over the last few years

PLAYERS ON LOAN
Jay Spearing Leicester March 22. Rest of the season
Robbie Threlfall Bradford March 22. Rest of the season
David Martin Derby March 12. One month
Stephen Darby Swindon March 11. Rest of the season
Robbie Threlfall Bradford February 22. One month
David Martin Leeds January 31. Until February 10.
Dean Bouzanis Accrington Stanley January 31. Until May 30.
Nathan Eccleston Huddersfield January 28. Rest of the season
Dean Bouzanis Accrington Stanley January 2. Until January 30.
2009
David Martin Leeds December 28. One month
David Martin Leeds November 26. Until December 28.
Dean Bouzanis Accrington Stanley November 26. Until January 2. 10
David Martin Tranmere Rovers October 16. One month
Charles Itandje Kavala FC August 31. Season 09-10
Andras Simon Cordoba CF August 25. Season 09-10
Krisztian Nemeth AEK Athens August 25. Season 09-10
Robbie Threlfall Northampton August 21. One month
San Jose Athletico Bilbao August Season 09-10
Ryan Flynn Falkirk July Season 09-10
Martin Kelly Huddersfield March 26. Rest of the season
Astrit Ajdarevic Leicester March 26. Rest of the season
Godwin Antwi Hereford February 16. One month
Peter Gulacsi Hereford February 2. One month
Ryan Flynn Wrexham February 2. Until April 26.
Adam Hammill Blackpool February 2. Three months
Craig Lindfield Accrington Stanley January 26. Rest of the season
Krisztian Nemeth Blackpool January 26. One month
Jordy Brouwer RKC Waalwijk January Rets of the season
Jermaine Pennant Portsmouth January Rets of the season
Robbie Threlfall Stockport January One month
2008
Andriy Voronin Hertha Berlin August Season 08-09
Craig Lindfield Bournemouth August Until December 08
Miki Roque FC Cartagena August Season 08-09
Sebastien Leto Olympiacos August Season 08-09
David Martin Leicester August Six months
Charlie Barnett Tranmere July Season 08-09
Jack Hobbs Leicester July Season 08-09
Godwin Antwi Tranmere July Until January 09
Adam Hammill Blackpool July Six months
Robbie Threlfall Hereford July Until January 09
Paul Anderson Nottingham Forest June Season 08-09
Jack Hobbs Scunthorpe January Rest of the season
Craig Lindfield Chester January 20. One month
Robbie Threlfall Hereford January Rest of the season

[dww]

Yes but as we did last time I could make a longer list of players who haven't gone on to make it having not gone on loan. Thus strongly indicating that the premise of the argument by list you put forward is deeply flawed.

[PTP]

The point being that he wasn't being written off by going on loan which was the implication of your post. In fact he is at the head of the queue in terms of youth coming through to the first team with Pacheco and ahead of the likes of Spearing and derby who until now haven't been on loan.

I have a feeling we have done this before

- well for me personally - i have seen nothing to suggest anything other than, once a lad is sent on loan that's pretty much the end.

I hope am i wrong, 'd love to see a few of these lads make it - but it doesn't seem to be the case - either they are not good enough to step up, rafa doesn't trust them or whatever i don't know - but we seem to have had a steady line of 'up and coming' youth players, that get bandied about as ones to look out for, come into the 'melwood' set up - and by time they turn 20 are lucky to have feautered a few times at most and then get loaned out for a season or two to various players until we convince a club to give us a couple of hundered grand for them

[PTP]

Yes but as we did last time I could make a longer list of players who haven't gone on to make it having not gone on loan. Thus strongly indicating that the premise of the argument by list you put forward is deeply flawed.

ah yes i remember it now haha


in fact - i will just sum this up - no-one is going to come through and make it, regardless of being sent out on loan or not.

[PTP]

oh - and could i see that list please players from 2008 onwards who haven't been sent on loan and haven't made it

i give you insua as my arguement forawrd as youth player, not sent on loan, stayed with the squad and has broken through.

[dww]

- well for me personally - i have seen nothing to suggest anything other than, once a lad is sent on loan that's pretty much the end.

I hope am i wrong, 'd love to see a few of these lads make it - but it doesn't seem to be the case - either they are not good enough to step up, rafa doesn't trust them or whatever i don't know - but we seem to have had a steady line of 'up and coming' youth players, that get bandied about as ones to look out for, come into the 'melwood' set up - and by time they turn 20 are lucky to have feautered a few times at most and then get loaned out for a season or two to various players until we convince a club to give us a couple of hundered grand for them

I'm not sure this isn't just the fact that people get over excited about players whose ability is roughly that of Welsh (the new Gerrard supposedly) and shockingly aren't actually very good at youth scouting. We haven't developed many first team ready young players for a good number of years. I tend to think that the problem with us getting none into the first team has been about quality of players in those youth/reserve teams.

I think there is a real question of what sort of time period we have to develop players - Hobbs looks like a very good player now but it took two years of first team football to get him to that standard. Could we have kept him an loaned him that many times without him becoming dissatisfied? I guess there are pros and cons to loans but I think trying to make broad assumptions about the fact that they are the end of a players career with us is mistaken. Especially as I have said before I think that Rafa feels players are developing until about 23.

At other clubs differing outcomes are evident - for united for example Shawcross went on loan and then was sold, Evans went on loan and now forms a valuable part of their squad.