Atletico post match moan

[Pablo]

I think it was actually our 18th defeat of the season in all comps.

Regardless of the mess the club is in behind the scenes, that stat is simply unforgivable

On a side point, after this season I think we almost getting used to defeat and sometimes not even seeing it as a bad result, a bit like last night, and that's a ****ing joke.

[Craig_H]

An awful lot of moaning on here and yes it was pretty poor stuff and very frustrating, but we had a perfectly good goal ruled out and deserved a draw. 1-0 isn't disastrous and we'll turn it round next week.

I think it's the fact that we always look woefully impotent and non threatening, away from home - that's now the norm and it cant be allowed to be.

[kev776]

I think that's unfair, as I thought in the main Lucas/Mascherano away from home is a sound platform to build. With better attackers in front of that axis we could cause teams problems. Benanoon - Gerrard - Kuyt - Ngog isn't a good enough attacking foursome.

If we have to play TWO defensive midfielders, why leave what little flair we have on the bench?

The team was set up not to lose and maybe sneak a goal and that sucks. The reason Scum, even with a very average team, do so well is that Fergie sends them out to win and prepares them mentally for this. Rafa is all about tactics, cagey ****e, not allowing any freedom for the players to express themselves.

I honestly believe that this team of ours is top 4 standard, it is our tactics and mindset that are wrong.

[the rev leeroy brown]

how much longer do we have to endure the ****e we see on the pitch.

no passion last night.

no desire to close players down.

no shots on targert for about the 5th games this season is a ****ing disgrace!!!!

we need better and i feel we fans deserve better. i could go into a huge rant about rafa having not got them built up for the game etc.....but this time i'm afraid the players are soley to blame. utter turd the lot of them last night except reina. wasnt for him we would have got ****ed 3 or 4 goals to none.

[SB]

Grim viewing last night. Thought the big Greek looked dodgy at times, Johnson showed (again) why he's not a good defender, and we have Reina to thank for an outstanding save from Simao in the second half.

The plus points were Atletico don't look that clever either, and if it wasn't for a few last ditch inch perfect tackles by Perreira(sp?) we'd have been through one-on-one with their goalie. Gerrard put in a more dynamic performance than what we've generally seen this season although his "radar" was well out. Mascherano, other than a couple of really rubbish passes, was fantastic. Thought Kuyt did ok too.

Ngog and Babel were both dire - would we dare start with Kuyt upfront with Pacheco in behind and Gerrard on the right next Thursday?

But he does well going forward. He put a lovely ball in that could have been a goal if it was anyone other than Yossi (as he is vertically challenged)

[Craig_H]

Didn't you see the goal given offside , that must have been a shot at goal surely.

Can't you see through your clouded vision of doom that at only 1 nil down we will have another great European night at Anfield and a great chance to get to another European final.

The negativity on here is amazing considering it's the first leg of a semi final

Once it's offside, the shot doesnt count anymore because the game has been stopped. It'd be a bit like coming out at half time and having a load of shots - they wouldnt count either, because the game's not in play at that point. Even then, if we counted that ONE shot - it's one shot on target in 90 mins, which is woeful.

Of course we have a good chance, it's the attacking ineptitude that's concerning. If you consider it a positive, that's your entitlement. I would have a different view.

[Craig_H]

FFS, do you really think that Rafa does it on purpose? Do you think he sets out his teams out defensively so as NOT TO SCORE, deliberately?

If it's a chore watching Liverpool, then don't watch us play again and take a leaf out of captainfog. And even if you do, please stop coming here spouting all this **** again and again and again as it's ****ING TEDIOUS.



Sorry if I come about as being pedantic but I've had enough and some people (if not the moderators) should come out and cut out this kind of posting. I don't mind constructive debate even if it's negative but this one is just taking the piss.

Nobody thinks rafa does it on purpose - he's clearly trying, but it doesnt work and hasnt for some time - that's the problem.

[Craig_H]

Grim viewing last night. Thought the big Greek looked dodgy at times, Johnson showed (again) why he's not a good defender, and we have Reina to thank for an outstanding save from Simao in the second half.

The plus points were Atletico don't look that clever either, and if it wasn't for a few last ditch inch perfect tackles by Perreira(sp?) we'd have been through one-on-one with their goalie. Gerrard put in a more dynamic performance than what we've generally seen this season although his "radar" was well out. Mascherano, other than a couple of really rubbish passes, was fantastic. Thought Kuyt did ok too.

Ngog and Babel were both dire - would we dare start with Kuyt upfront with Pacheco in behind and Gerrard on the right next Thursday?

I've said it before mate - unless torres is fit, the lone striker system DOES NOT WORK for us. It's an example of the rigidness - using exactly the same system, with inferior components, and expecting it to work just as well as it does when the superior components are used.

It's a bit like putting Fiesta engine into a Ferrari, and still expecting it to do 0-60 in 4 seconds.

N'Gog will never be able to produce what Torres does, so using him in the same way, in the same system, is daft.

[the rev leeroy brown]

I've said it before mate - unless torres is fit, the lone striker system DOES NOT WORK for us. It's an example of the rigidness - using exactly the same system, with inferior components, and expecting it to work just as well as it does when the superior components are used.

It's a bit like putting Fiesta engine into a Ferrari, and still expecting it to do 0-60 in 4 seconds.

N'Gog will never be able to produce what Torres does, so using him in the same way, in the same system, is daft.

the only player on our books who could do even a quarter of the good job torres does up top alone would be babel. now i'm not saying babel is even a quarter as good as torres but he does have the pace and willingness to run down channels like torres does. but he cant hold the ball up as good as torres does.

ngog was ****ing dire last night and should not be considered as a starter against burnley on that performance. he is slow to react but too quick to make the wrong choice.

kyut has the willingness to do the top lone role but neither the pace nor the savvy needed to make the space for other players to run into.

pacheco is too in-experienced and too small to play the lone role too so it seems blatantly obvious to me and every other fan ( not just lfc ) that without torres we must revert to 4-4-2 or equivalent and use what we have.

[MrMichael]

Nobody thinks rafa does it on purpose - he's clearly trying, but it doesnt work and hasnt for some time - that's the problem.

I think every now and then someone posts that he must be doing it deliberately more out of frustration than genuine belief in the cold light of day. Those posts are infrequent, and obviously silly..... but that stat, 18 defeats in all comps this season, is just staggering, and gives any LFC fan real reason to be pissed off at how things have been on the pitch this season.

N'Gog will never be able to produce what Torres does, so using him in the same way, in the same system, is daft.

It does the team no favours, and it can't be doing the lad himself any favours either looking into the future. It takes a very special sort of player to be truly effective and a genuine goal threat playing upfront on their own under the best of circumstances, let alone in a team with a dearth of creativity. I genuinely feel quite sorry for the lad, several non-lfc fans have commented to me last night / this morning that he's "a bit ****e" and I'm not surprised people think that watching him trying to complete what is frankly, an impossible task.

[red g]

Nobody thinks rafa does it on purpose - he's clearly trying, but it doesnt work and hasnt for some time - that's the problem.

by the way .....i never did say he did it on purpose

[Shaggy]

A lad I know reckons Ngog is "the worst striker I have ever seen at this level".

[MrMichael]

A lad I know reckons Ngog is "the worst striker I have ever seen at this level".

Yep, that's the sort of thing I've been hearing. And tbh, to a casual / non-lfc fan watching some of our games this year in isolation, I can see why they'd be making such judgments, we look utterly inept up front and he's the obvious weakest link.

[red g]

Yep, that's the sort of thing I've been hearing. And tbh, to a casual / non-lfc fan watching some of our games this year in isolation, I can see why they'd be making such judgments, we look utterly inept up front and he's the obvious weakest link.

talk about boy for a mans job.

We should have taken gudjohnson on a free in January.

[PTP]

We'll be ****ting our pants unless we manage to get 3-0 up.

i thought the same last night myself, thinking we need 3 goals to go through.

It was a frustrating game last night, the ball never seemed to sit and bounce for us, either through just bad luck or poor technique at times.

What was annoying was the disgracful typical diving, time wasting you see in europe, wasn't just our game, the lyon/munich game the other night, a game where i had no interest who won, was frustrating as hell with dickheads rolling around