Rafa Benitez Leaves Liverpool

[Rich]

The majority of posters were bloody frustrated last season, perhaps equally between Rafa's perplexing substitutions and line-ups and some of the inept performances from so-called superstars. I was one of these posters.

But it doesn't mean that it wasn't obvious that Rafa's been doing this job for at least the last 2 years with one hand tied behind his back, and we've had 5 good (sometimes spectacular) seasons with only last season being a stinker.

For him to leave now isn't about football. We're meant to be a football club with patience, had next season under Rafa gone the same way as the one just past then it would have been time to say good-bye. The main problem is that Rafa's left on non-footballing matters IMO, cloaked in poisonous claims from the shysters in charge of poor performance.

Rafa had made more mistakes last season than usual but to not give him the chance to rectify those mistakes is appalling.

[Craig_H]

FFS, Rafa had a squad to start with and was given more than 5p to start with.

This comparison is laughable.

He had a squad that finished 4th, and you're asking him to turn it into champions on a net budget of £13m per season.

When world class players cost at least £30m each.

[Lecter]

Notable the attitude change. Craig in particular (not picking on you mate)


"Has he not been backed sufficiently to be finishing ahead of Spurs, Villa and Birmingham, without much bother?".

"We have the 3rd or 4th best team/squad IMO, yet we're 7th. It's the most obvious example of not doing what you should, with the tools available to you. "

It has been interesting to see some of the shifts in attitude

[Craig_H]

Maybe it's not realistic, but he is expected to win. He took over before Gerrard hit his peak, was Owen sold off before Rafa started?

Rafa can't spend Utd money unless he wins the league, or the marketing department comes up with a way to make us Utd type money. In the 6 years Rafa has had we are no closer to winning the league and if anything in a worse position, and now we have Gerrard in his final years.

We have had almost nothing come through the youth ranks in Rafa's time here.

I don't completely buy the fact that Rafa needed a huge budget over 6 years to deliver us a title, he had Gerrard before he hit his peak, he brought some decent players, but brought too many squad players and took too many gambles.

How does that work then? It's not realistic, but he's expected to do it?

Ok, well i expect you to climb aboard a camel and outrun a ferrari. It's not realistic, but i expect you to win the race.

If you dont, you're a failure.

[Exiled_red]

Do you think Liverpool should be investing more in their teams than Wigan, Wolves, Sunderland, et al

Because in the last few seasons we've been pretty much outspent by everybody in the league

Personally I would expect any manager to have at least the same budget as what David Moores provided

Sadly despite the market increasing over the last few years our budget has not kept pace with that

In fact if anything our budget has decreased whilst the market has increased

[Craig_H]

Craig, you need to take them splinters out your arse.

After often being told not to see things so black and white, i'm now seeing things in a more balanced way and appreciating both sides of the scenario.

Isnt that better?

[oldschool]

We would have gotten another striker and a left back at least.

Please break it down, how much would have the striker and left back cost?

[Kenneth]

"The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."

William Blake

Which is fair enough. I wonder if it's that people just don't have the balls when it comes to the crunch. Again, not saying that Craig has no balls. (Not directly anyway )

[elrichio86]

The majority of posters were bloody frustrated last season, perhaps equally between Rafa's perplexing substitutions and line-ups and some of the inept performances from so-called superstars. I was one of these posters.

But it doesn't mean that it wasn't obvious that Rafa's been doing this job for at least the last 2 years with one hand tied behind his back, and we've had 5 good (sometimes spectacular) seasons with only last season being a stinker.

For him to leave now isn't about football. We're meant to be a football club with patience, had next season under Rafa gone the same way as the one just past then it would have been time to say good-bye. The main problem is that Rafa's left on non-footballing matters IMO, cloaked in poisonous claims from the shysters in charge of poor performance.

Rafa had made more mistakes last season than usual but to not give him the chance to rectify those mistakes is appalling.

This, I wholeheartedly agree with

[Craig_H]

I want us to win the league no matter what, I don't care how.

I dont earn millions but i want a muti million pound mansion and yachts to rival Abramovich. I dont care how, i just want it.

Yet, i live in a 2 bedroom flat and my mode of transportation is a modest car.

[CJ]

My argument Re: Gerrard was that Rafa had him during his peak, I am not saying Gerrard can win the league on his own, but Rafa DID have the luxury of having during his peak, and at no cost (transfer wise), and during that time he had transfer funds available to attempt to create a supporting cast around him.

he didnt have enough money to assemble a league winning cast.

This is an obvious fact. i dont know how many times people have to point out the difference in spending to you.

he started with a squad worse than the the top three and was given less money than they where and with this he had to get above them.

now doesnt sond too easy does it. and the season we went backwards the club made a profit in the transffer market rather than investing

again facts that your argument doesnt hold up against.

[Exiled_red]

The majority of posters were bloody frustrated last season, perhaps equally between Rafa's perplexing substitutions and line-ups and some of the inept performances from so-called superstars. I was one of these posters.

But it doesn't mean that it wasn't obvious that Rafa's been doing this job for at least the last 2 years with one hand tied behind his back, and we've had 5 good (sometimes spectacular) seasons with only last season being a stinker.

For him to leave now isn't about football. We're meant to be a football club with patience, had next season under Rafa gone the same way as the one just past then it would have been time to say good-bye. The main problem is that Rafa's left on non-footballing matters IMO, cloaked in poisonous claims from the shysters in charge of poor performance.

Rafa had made more mistakes last season than usual but to not give him the chance to rectify those mistakes is appalling.

Sums up my views too.

[Mattshark]

Please break it down, how much would have the striker and left back cost?

What a ridiculous question, that is beyond subjective. Did you get you arguing techniques from a creationist convention?
The misrepresentation and ridiculous question seminar?

[oldschool]

Do you think Liverpool should be investing more in their teams than Wigan, Wolves, Sunderland, et al

Because in the last few seasons we've been pretty much outspent by everybody in the league

Personally I would expect any manager to have at least the same budget as what David Moores provided

Sadly despite the market increasing over the last few years our budget has not kept pace with that

In fact if anything our budget has decreased whilst the market has increased

Of course I do, but:

TRANSFERS: 2007/08
Total bought: £70.7m
Total sold: £36.7m
Net spend: £34m

Maybe had he won the league in 07/08 he would have had an increased transfer fund, maybe he was given 2 season's worth of transfer funds in 07/08.

[Exiled_red]

What a ridiculous question, that is beyond subjective. Did you get you arguing techniques from a creationist convention?
The misrepresentation and ridiculous question seminar?