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Paul.S
Yes Rafa has made mistakes, bought players who haven't worked out and so on, and maybe his plan had seriously faltered last season more than it should have done. Maybe, were things not such a mess behind the scenes at the club, it had come the time for an amicable parting of the ways. But as for "G&H getting the right manager and spending some cash". You must be having a laugh. What the hell would possess you to think either of those is likely to happen?
I can only hope they do the right thing, I still believe they did the right thing in getting rid of Rafa, he has had 6 years.
If huge money is made available, I have zero faith in Rafa spending it wisely. If they don't give the next manager a huge budget, maybe, just maybe the next manager can get more out of it than Rafa would have, and get what ever team he has left find some form.
I don't get people on here, all I read on here as the season went on was to sack Rafa for the poor season ...
you havent been reading it all then. if everyone wanted rafa sacked then how did we have the same heated argument on thread after thread after thread. oh maybe because some wanted him sacked and some didnt. i would also argue some that wanted him to go didnt want it to happen like it did yesterday.
why dont you compare to Uts and Arsenal and Chelsea?
Ok i will.
United had a transfer net spend of £33m in the last three years, to top up an already successful title winning/challenging side.
Chelsea have had about £300m spend on their squad since Rafa's been there.
Arsenal made a net profit of £22m from their transfer dealings in the last three years and havent won anything for ages, like us. They have a 60k stadium fully built and operational though, and will reap the financial rewards from this for many years to come.
We have broken promises, measly transfer budgets and embarrassment.
Yet, you continue your love-in with the **** owners.
Why do you dismiss the figures about City, Villa and Spurs?
After all, they're the ones who have overtaken us in the last year and it's this which has brought about most of the criticism rafa got.
Your kidding if you think he hasn't wasted a **** load of cash, with the exception of Torres he did no better than Houllier (minus maybe Hyypia) on the transfer front. Rafa would go out and spend +15m on a striker put him on the wing and wonder why he failed, sell him off, do the same the following season.
He went out and brought players with off field issues like Pennant and Bellamy, they would fail and he would have to sell.
Under Rafa we still lost out on signing players, youth never developed etc.
We also have had sfa come through the youth ranks since Evan's departure.
It was time for a change regardless who was in charge.
Reina for £6m, Agger for £5m, Skrtel for £6m, Mascherano for £18m, Alonso for £10m (sold for £30m), Crouch for £7m (sold for £11m), Torres for £20m - yeah, clearly he was **** in the market, wasnt he?
Unlike Utd we haven't had the success to waste money for decades of failure.
Kuyt is suppose to be a striker, he hardly ever plays there, another striker turned winger, if Rafa didn't waste money and brought an out and out winger we may actually have a decent one for a change.
I doubt half the people here would be this upset if G&H weren't in charge, would you be this upset, if they sacked Rafa and now guaranteed 100M to spend on players without selling anyone?
I'd be even more livid, because if there's money to spend, rafa should've been backed and we shouldnt have had a £27m net spend over the last 3 ****ing years.
i would also argue some that wanted him to go didnt want it to happen like it did yesterday.
He deserved to leave with dignity. His time with us had come to a natural end IMHO but I'll always have fond memories of him and his leaving as still saddened me.
Could count on 1 hand the cunts saying snidey **** about him leaving.
I don't get it, he spends almost 10M on Kuyt so he can play him out wide, why not spend 10M on a wide player? What about 11M on Babel?
Point to a £10m or £11m signing in the last two or three years, who's been a brilliant world class aquisition.
You think those sort of fees are gonna get us David Villa and Kaka?
Do you think Rafa would've been signing Kuyt and Babel if he'd been given proper backing in the market?
It's the same reason why Ferguson bought Valencia and Owen instead of Silva and Villa last summer - because his board have stopped backing him properly too. The difference is, he'd previously had decades of proper backing. Now that looks to have stopped, and as you can see, the mancs have stopped winning the title after 3 years on the spin.
United had a transfer net spend of £33m in the last three years, to top up an already successful title winning/challenging side.
Chelsea have had about £300m spend on their squad since Rafa's been there.
Arsenal made a net profit of £22m from their transfer dealings in the last three years and havent won anything for ages, like us. They have a 60k stadium fully built and operational though, and will reap the financial rewards from this for many years to come.
We have broken promises, measly transfer budgets and embarrassment.
Yet, you continue your love-in with the **** owners.
Why do you dismiss the figures about City, Villa and Spurs?
After all, they're the ones who have overtaken us in the last year and it's this which has brought about most of the criticism rafa got.
Reina for £6m, Agger for £5m, Skrtel for £6m, Mascherano for £18m, Alonso for £10m (sold for £30m), Crouch for £7m (sold for £11m), Torres for £20m - yeah, clearly he was **** in the market, wasnt he?
I'd be even more livid, because if there's money to spend, rafa should've been backed and we shouldnt have had a £27m net spend over the last 3 ****ing years.
I didn't think you'd be able to resist responding!
Reina for £6m, Agger for £5m, Skrtel for £6m, Mascherano for £18m, Alonso for £10m (sold for £30m), Crouch for £7m (sold for £11m), Torres for £20m - yeah, clearly he was **** in the market, wasnt he?
Torres cost £20m, a bit hard to forgive if he got that wrong, along with Masch.
He has had probably 4 of Gerrard's best years to work with also.
Crouch was useless, despite making a profit, Agger and Skrtel are serviceable at best, he did pretty well with Reina I'll give you that.
Let's have a look at some of the crap he has brought (+5M)
£6.3m – Fernando Morientes
£6m – Craig Bellamy - I couldn't believe he brought him.
£6.7m – Jermaine Pennant - See above.
£9m – Dirk Kuyt - He isn't worth £9m for a winger.
£11.5m – Ryan Babel - As above.
£7m – Andrea Dossena - He was doomed to fail from the start.
£19m – Robbie Keane
£8m – Albert Riera
£17.5m – Glen Johnson - £17.5m for a RB that can't defend ...
£17.1m – Alberto Aquilani - If Rafa stayed I bet he would have got sold like Dossena, maybe now he will have half a chance to succeed.
I won't include cos he made a profit.
£5.6m – Momo Sissoko - hopeless passer, imo over-rated in his time at Liverpool.
You can argue that Keane or Johnson or Aqualini was part of other deals, but he still had +15M to spend and failed to do it multiple times.
. Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.
So wasting 20M on Keane isn't a **** load of cash? Wasting 24M on a RB isn't a **** load of cash? How can a manager f up twice on 20M+ signings?
Ask Ferguson about Veron and Berbatov, or Mourinho about Shevchenko and Wright-Phillips...
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