Players in Players out 2010

[RoadEnd]

It was explained, by Purslow I think, that the cost of salary increases from new and improved contracts for existing players also counted within the transfer budget.

There is no simple way of calculating a "net spend" on tranfers.
Fees are paid and received in instalments.
As we remove one player from the wage bill, have we replaced them with someone on a higher wage etc.

You can't work it out from just adding and subtracting the transfer fees received and spent.

[CJ]

i think that looking at purely fees spent and recieved wa a good way of looking at it a few years ago. However since bosman many free transfers have big signing on fees knowing that the club paid nothing for the player.

I still think its a good indicator but thats all it does is indicate.

i am in two minds whether salary increases should be used in the same discussion. I know that they can eat money and he flexible nature of transfer/ signing on fee/ wages. however i also think that there would or should be a seperate pay increase budget.

[merlboo]

Riera confirmed

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1549/rest-of-europe/2010/07/23/2039025/breaking-news-official-olympiacos-sign-albert-riera-from

2010 players out , players in

8 Out: Dossena £4.7m, Voronin £1.8m, Mihaylov £1.5m Yossi £5.5m, San Jose £2.6m, Duran £0, Insua £5.0m , Riera 4.5 (Total: £25.6m)


5 In: Maxi £0, Shelvey £1.75m, Jova £0, Cole £0,Wilson £2.25 (Total: £4.0)

[merlboo]

this site may keep us up to speed

http://www.sportingpreview.com/premnews/09100467.php

[andrewces38]

this site may keep us up to speed


http://www.sportingpreview.com/premnews/09100467.php

According to that site we have recieved £8m but your records show £26m which is it to be?

[dww]

i think that looking at purely fees spent and recieved wa a good way of looking at it a few years ago. However since bosman many free transfers have big signing on fees knowing that the club paid nothing for the player.

I still think its a good indicator but thats all it does is indicate.

i am in two minds whether salary increases should be used in the same discussion. I know that they can eat money and he flexible nature of transfer/ signing on fee/ wages. however i also think that there would or should be a seperate pay increase budget.

The money all goes out of the same funds though and the affordability or otherwise of any squad changes is as determined by the overall wage outgoings as the fees (transfer or signing on) and I imagine in the case of Bosman's there is a specific balance of the two.

I have a feeling that over the summer we will end up with a reduced wage budget and having not spent more than we have bought in. I admit that for this to be true we will probably have to sell Mascherano but I think that is more or less inevitable.

[merlboo]

According to that site we have recieved £8m but your records show £26m which is it to be?

thats this transfer window only

mine incorporated the last transfer window in january

i also said the figures weren't cast in stone

anyone who wants to do a more detailed reasoned report ... as i've said

feel free

edit .. the insua protracted fee hasn't been added yet

[dom9]

thats this transfer window only

mine incorporated the last transfer window in january

i also said the figures weren't cast in stone

anyone who wants to do a more detailed reasoned report ... as i've said

feel free

edit .. the insua protracted fee hasn't been added yet

How have you arrived at Benayoun's fee, which was undisclosed?

[merlboo]

How have you arrived at Benayoun's fee, which was undisclosed?

between 5.5 and 6 million depending on which article lends most credence

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/benayoun-set-for-16355m-chelsea-move-as-mutu-row-rumbles-on-2000563.html

http://www.imscouting.com/global-news-article/Benayoun-completes-move-to-Chelsea-from-Liverpool/8641/

http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/830886-yossi-benayoun-set-for-liverpool-to-chelsea-transfer-on-four-year-deal

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jul/02/yossi-benayoun-liverpool-chelsea

[Pablo]

back to players in players out....

in my little 'championship manager' dream world, i would be quite happy with the below



Sell
El zhar £2m
Plessis £1m
Degen £2m
Riera £4m (already gone or going)
Insua £5m was it? Gone)
Kyriakos £2m
Babel £8m
Mascherano £30m

Total - £55m

Sign
Figueroa £6m
Bridge £6m
Remy £10m
Turan £10m
Leaving us £20m ish to find mascher replacement



GK
Reina
Cavalieri
Youngster

Rb
Johnson
Kelly
Carra/darby

Cb
Carra
Agger
Skrtel
Wilson
Ayala

Lb
Fig
Bridge

CM
Gerrard
Aquilani
Lucas
£18m replacement
Shelve

Rm
Maxi
Kuyt
Cole/turan

Lm
Cole
Turan
Jovanovic

Am
Gerrard
Cole

St
Torres
Remy
Jovanovic
Ngog
Kuyt/Pacheco/dale valle

Pissed myself reading this. Love how you completely missed the entire point of the thread about how we are running transfers at a profit, and just went off on yet another mad PTP FM style transfers epic post! PTP!!

[the rev leeroy brown]

should we except it though ?

have we ever excepted it ,and if not then why now ?

were's all the talk now of the turkish wonderkid which purslows sidekick bascombe was peddling in the NOTW ?

are people slowly coming around to the magnitude of the problems, not just with the owners but a banker playing championship manager ?

think you mean accept it or maybe expect it.

[JHP]

I have to be honest I am a little uneasy about how i am dealing with Merlboo.

to his credit he is passionate about the club, and obviously wants to get involved and make a positive impact on the club and the area.

However the negatives are that he wont listen to anyone, he belittles everyone who doesnt agree, he is misguided in the impact of his actions.

To quote the man himself, it may be a bit blunt but it needed saying.

I agree. But I think he's well intentioned and not intentionally trying to belittle people, I think it's partly his passion and partly some of the crap fed to followers by SOS leadership.

[CJ]

I agree. But I think he's well intentioned and not intentionally trying to belittle people, I think it's partly his passion and partly some of the crap fed to followers by SOS leadership.

you cant fault merlboos passion though its begining to do him no favours. Its a shame as he has lfcs future at heart, i just wish he would listen though i am close to giving up on him.

its a shame that all those that are as passionate are being led badly if there was a group who where more proffesional in their approach and actually harnessed that passion positivley it would be a great group. sadly sos isnt that group

[merlboo]

I agree. But I think he's well intentioned and not intentionally trying to belittle people, I think it's partly his passion and partly some of the crap fed to followers by SOS leadership.

though i maybe seen to be speaking on behalf of SOS ,some of my own ideas and opinions maybe just my own,though i have to be mindful on what i post on certain issues

i am to all intents probably no different to most of you

i long for talking about football matters and the vagaries of pre season optimisms

unfortunately i can't be afforded such liberties at this present time

all i'm trying to do in the main (as you may have gathered ) is create awareness

question the board ... and if that means Purslow , Broughton ,

Ayre (ticket hikes )

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-columnists/dominic-king/2010/07/24/dominic-king-liverpool-fc-fans-ticket-price-hike-fury-is-very-easy-to-figure-out-100252-26918824/

then so be it

if we aren't vigilant then who will be ?

thats all i'm asking , you don't have to agree with everything or anything i put up , but certainly be aware of why its out there

thats all i'd ask

[merlboo]

i'll amend the ins and outs to incorporate Insua's collapsed move

in... £4.0 million

out... £20.5 million

22 days left