The Old OOT Debate (sorry)

[Craig_H]

It's not meant to be a thread to wind people up, it's just some times people say I can't get tickets because of OOTers. Then how did I get a ticket??

Getting tickets is easy if someone really wants them. Absolutely piss easy.

Anyone who claims they really try, but cant get tickets, is talking utter utter ****e.

[Vermilion]

I'd agree with it too. It would make far more sense for me to be an Arsenal fan as they are my local team and I think it would make life a lot easier as everyone I know is a gooner, all my family and I could get to the Emirates regularly and easily instead of making 8 hour round trips up to Anfield which I find soul destroying.

That said I love my club

Updated my post to explain what i meant.

[Craig_H]

When I go up to Anfield I am talking about £60-70 just for the train, then if it's a night game a hotel (I really like the radisson) as well because I think the last train is at 9:30

Is driving not an option?

Depending on the car and petrol consumption, it can be much cheaper. And as you say, for midweek games, it means you can drive straight back, so no need for hotel.

[Chrono]

Having been to the Emirates before, it probably takes as long to get out of there via the underground as it would to get back to London from Liverpool.

That's a fair point but then I'd probably just sit in a pub till close and then jump on the bus. Me and Marky could share a pint.

[Alex]

Having been to the Emirates before, it probably takes as long to get out of there via the underground as it would to get back to London from Liverpool.

You say that, but i got home from Wembely in 95 Minuites the other night. NW London to Colchester.

Its taken me 4hrs before!

[Rowan]

Local people who support the team only do so because it's convinient and they can't be bothered to travel outside their own city to see a match. The real fans are those from OOT who have made the rational and thought out decision to support the team based on a number of reasoned factors, as opposed to those who folow them blindly because they can't be arsed to make a proper choice.

If you ask me local people should be banned from attending home games and all tickets should be reserved for those with dedication from outside the area.

[Craig_H]

Local people who support the team only do so because it's convinient and they can't be bothered to travel outside their own city to see a match. The real fans are those from OOT who have made the rational and thought out decision to support the team based on a number of reasoned factors, as opposed to those who folow them blindly because they can't be arsed to make a proper choice.

If you ask me local people should be banned from attending home games and all tickets should be reserved for those with dedication from outside the area.

[poorscousertommy]

I see where you're coming from, but there's also an argument for the OOT fan, in terms of the time and money they spend in order to support the club. In one respect, it could be argued that this shows more dedication.

It's easy to wake up at midday, laze about and then take the 20 minute journey to Anfield, whereas for example, a 12:45pm kickoff in my situation means being up at 5am and leaving at 6am, in order to go to the game. Not to mention even earlier, if it's an early kickoff at somewhere like Sunderland or Newcastle etc. Doing that week in, week out - would a local do that, if they had to? Some would, some wouldnt.

I have to do the same but I'm a Scouser who lives away. It's not locals fault that they support their local team though is it? Just because you have to make a longer journey does not make you a more dedicated fan.

[poorscousertommy]

Local people who support the team only do so because it's convinient and they can't be bothered to travel outside their own city to see a match. The real fans are those from OOT who have made the rational and thought out decision to support the team based on a number of reasoned factors, as opposed to those who folow them blindly because they can't be arsed to make a proper choice.

If you ask me local people should be banned from attending home games and all tickets should be reserved for those with dedication from outside the area.

[Craig_H]

I have to do the same but I'm a Scouser who lives away. It's not locals fault that they support their local team though is it? Just because you have to make a longer journey does not make you a more dedicated fan.

But who says you HAVE to? A long distance fan can easily choose not to go.

Those who do go, week in and week out, are choosing to do so, which highlights a level of significant dedication.

I'm not sure where you got the notion of 'fault' from, i didnt mention fault, blame or anything like that.

[Red_Polo]

I agree with this mate. There are as many local fans who don't have that great a knowledge of the club. Just say they support them.

It doesn't matter too much if your an OOT or local to be honest but I do have the belief that there is a slight bit more in the passion of proper local fans to proper OOT fans in the fact that the club not only represents who they support but it also represents their identity in relation to the city they are from. Not to say OOTs are lesser fans, more that I believe the club has a bit more meaning for locals.

Liverpool identity is undoubtedly inseparable from the club, I agree, but if you live in MK you're an OOT too, even if you just moved there from off Breck road last week. So it's a stupid way of looking at things, it completely ignores the fact that people's backgrounds and ties to the club are just a tad more complicated than what their postcode happens to be, and you can't just neatly chuck every Liverpool fan into one of two distinct categories. More to the point, I don't see why anyone would feel the need to...

[poorscousertommy]

But who says you HAVE to? A long distance fan can easily choose not to go.

Those who do go, week in and week out, are choosing to do so, which highlights a level of significant dedication.

I'm not sure where you got the notion of 'fault' from, i didnt mention fault, blame or anything like that.

If you choose to go and watch Liverpool then you have to travel long distance. Isn't this your point as to the whole dedication thing?

What I am saying is just because local fans don't have to travel long distnace to support Liverpool it doesn't make them less dedicated than someone who does.

[El Diego]

Is driving not an option?

Depending on the car and petrol consumption, it can be much cheaper. And as you say, for midweek games, it means you can drive straight back, so no need for hotel.

Don't have a car mate, Living in London so don't really see the point. I had a look at rental before but it cost like £40+ then there's the petrol, and the time it takes to get there. it takes 30-40 mins to mine to euston then 2 hours on the train, in the car it takes at least an hour to get out of London.

[poorscousertommy]

Liverpool identity is undoubtedly inseparable from the club, I agree, but if you live in MK you're an OOT too, even if you just moved there from off Breck road last week. So it's a stupid way of looking at things, it completely ignores the fact that people's backgrounds and ties to the club are just a tad more complicated than what their postcode happens to be, and you can't just neatly chuck every Liverpool fan into one of two distinct categories. More to the point, I don't see why anyone would feel the need to...

I agree, hence why I posted that it didn't matter if your a local or an OOT. I just made the point that if there was to be any arguable difference it would be the ties to the City also.

[Vermilion]

Knew my first post in this thread was correct.