Man marking v zonal

[BrianF80]

It doesn't matter how high he gets if the ball is cut out.

Contact is not a foul.

How many extra centimeters does that gain him? Enough to negate the disruption? The spare man doesn't need to jump highest does he, he just needs to end up in the ball's line of flight either before or after the header.

[BrianF80]

Posting images of how we set up is not remotely the same as having a real understanding of how it works though, is it.

It was the commentary that made it. It was poetry and demonstrated a profound understanding of the theory and practice and zonal marking. Even if I say so myself

Looking back it was a work of art.

The way we do zonal marking most times this season is based on a bank of 4 Insua/Carra/Agger/Johnson with a free player behind usually Torres but against City the Greek was the free man and because Johnson was out Kuyt took Johnsons usual place.

The 4 are usually evenly spaced but compress towards the ball. Once a ball enters a zone containing a player who can attack the ball a minimum of 2 players should jump with him. The Zonal defender and the free player. For the goal Kuyt and the Greek got confused about who was zonal and who was free because Kuyt arrived late and the Greek had temporarily covered Kuyts zone. When the ball was played both reacted as though they were zonal i.e. defended the zone instead of one of them attacking the ball regardless of the zone. and as Adebayor had dropped off he was outside Skrtel's zone the gap was too big for him to make-up.

So it wasn't IMO about players not taking responsibility it was about two players getting confused about roles they were playing for the first time. Remember Johnson dropped out before the match so Kuyt would have been training to play as a man marker and the Greek wasn't even down to play so in training he was probably part of the attacking unit. Zonal marking is complicated so when you constantly switch roles mistakes will be made.

Let's get our first choice zonal line-up back and then we can concentrate on the goals we concede because Carragher is crap in the air and Agger and Skrtel are just average. With the right delivery just about any team's center backs can outjump ours. That's the core problem.

BTW A picture.



Z = Zonal
F = Free Running jump at whichever zone ball becomes playable in
M = Man Markers / Blockers positioning taken from opposition runners
C = Counter Attack / Charge Long Shots
S = Second Ball / Disrupt Short Corners

[Craig_H]

It doesn't matter how high he gets if the ball is cut out.
But it stands to reason that the one who jumps highest, is more likely to head it.

Contact is not a foul.
Depends on the ref. It's not something i'd wanna chance in the box.

How many extra centimeters does that gain him? Enough to negate the disruption? The spare man doesn't need to jump highest does he, he just needs to end up in the ball's line of flight either before or after the header.
As i said, the guy defending behind the zonal line (which is across the 6 yard box) is only gonna have 5 yards of space to run into, whereas the attacker could be coming in from the edge of the box, so thats 11 yards of room. If the defender gets in the line of the ball, and his jump isnt high enough, the ball goes over his head.

[BrianF80]

If you say so; reality, physics and the rules of contact sport say otherwise.

[Craig_H]

Yes, because there's never any inconsistency in how the rules are enforced, is there?

[BrianF80]

Yes, because there's never any inconsistency in how the rules are enforced, is there?

Same old Dj heading off down rabbit trails of irrelevancy.

Let's get back on track. What are the weaknesses of man marking we should look out for this year?

I did some scouting of that Tovoinen guy, whose really quite good in the air, and the number of times he had someone block off his man marker allowing him to run into space and get a free header was quite impressive.

[Craig_H]

How's it irrelevant? If one of your points is about the rules, then the fact that they arent always consistently applied, is perfectly relevant.

[BrianF80]

How's it irrelevant? If one of your points is about the rules, then the fact that they arent always consistently applied, is perfectly relevant.

So these weaknesses of man marking? Blocking man markers, think of any others? The fact that with clever running you can end up with no-one in the crucial zone; central and 6 yards out?

[Craig_H]

I suspected you'd ignore the point which invalidated your previous argument

[wiw]

Zzzzzz

[Redspin]

I guess the players are now used to zonal marking so changing systems, there is likely to be a difficult transition period. If we play man marking system we can only judge it at the end of the season.

The difference in the meantime of course is that any time we concede from a corner kick, man-to-man marking as a system will never be blamed, whereas zonal marking as a system is apparently always to blame for a goal conceded

[Redspin]

It doesn't matter how high he gets if the ball is cut out.

Contact is not a foul.

How many extra centimeters does that gain him? Enough to negate the disruption? The spare man doesn't need to jump highest does he, he just needs to end up in the ball's line of flight either before or after the header.

What's a centimetre?

[Assassin]

What's a centimetre?

Your cock

[Mattshark]

already this year we look more stable and confident defending corners / set plays. zonal marking was poor IMO. i hate the fact a player like spearing or aurelio could be lumbered against crouch or berbatov. Also, roy doesnt brign all 11 men back inside the 18 yard box to defend so in conclusion . . . . . .zonal = piss man marking = good.

Nonsense, we have had some of the best set piece defence in the league and we concede well below average for goals conceded from set pieces. Nearly half of premier league goals are from set pieces on average (though this was much lower last season at 37%), under a quarter of our goals were and last season, and we were poorer than usual last season (22%).

[dww]

I also think we have looked pretty shaky this season when defending corners. It's early days as we convert to a new system, so I don't think now is a good time to judge though.