Appointing Roy - A huge mistake

[Kenneth]

Great response.

That prick said some of us want Roy to fail.

And seriously, tell me what "back the manager" means. It's happy clapper bull****. I can vent here, I can vent in the pub. How does that effect anything? I won't abuse him in the ground because he's the manager and I want him to do well and prove me wrong. I never, ever wanted a manager as mediocre as Hodgson. Wouldn't it be completely spineless of me to just fold after his appointment and accept it? "Oh well he's the manager now, I suppose I'd better revise my opinion and start clapping my hands"

It's a ****ing opinion, deal with it.

Refusing to consider any mitigations for Roy (being new etc) because of bitterness over Rafa is just something I disagree with. And the 'genuine fans' bull**** is pathetic, a sort of football forum godwins law.

[danperkins]

He made a profit that was the problem. dont beleive everything they say on skysports you know.



i agree with this apart from the fact that football gave them a reason to sack him. this was due to an awful season by our standards, the causes are many discussed but i think this gave those who wanted him out a good excuse. If Rafa hadnt been so political etc then i bet he would still be here but the reason they could get rid was because of the performance last season. They didnt get rid because of the performance but it gave them the opportunity they wanted.

hope that makes sense.

So you completely avoided the question, i'll answer it for you mate, plain and simple he signed flops that did nothing productive for our team, he wasted about 60 million on the likes of Dosenna/Keane/Riera/Skrtel/Aqua/Maxi blah blah blah, and those flops earned massive wages, and what has any of these done, **** all is the answer!

Rafa did not sign one decent players in his last 2 seasons which contributed massively to our downfall. Kamikaze in the transfer market regardless of what he has to spend.

[Neil Young]

People like you (i'd imagine pro rafa could be wrong) wanted Roy to fail from the get go, rafa failed get over it, who did you honestly expect us to get Mourinho,common? Get realistic! You have done nothing but bitch and moan even before Hogson even started. You have not given the guy an inch and are ready to jump on him with the claws out at any time.

Rafa is responsible for the teams horrific performance last year and thus the state we are in, he wasted vast amounts of money over past 2 years and got in sub standard/mediocre players that have contributed nothing to the club except draining the wage bill, Roy has got some of these drains off side and said himself that he wanted rid of a few more i.e. Lucas and Babel but just ran out of time, i'm sure they'll be off in January god willing!!!

Unlike you Rafa apologists although i want Roy to succeed i am well aware of his mistakes thus far and have said as much on other threads, i have no problem in admitting them but with the circumstances he has come into zero funds, struggling to keep top players,Masch going, late signings, Cole being Sent off in first game, poxy fixtures so early on , not having 4 or 5 players bedded in, its embarrassing to be giving the chap so much stick, ****ing pathetic mate seriously.

If he is still picking dodgy teams, showing a complete lack of urgency and playing negative football (Rafa all over) in two months with a full squad of bedded in players, well then i'll be giving him **** too, but until then its grossly unfair and its cringeworthy to listen to at this stage in the season.

What is your problem? How come it's OK for you to voice your concerns about Hodgson's mistakes so far but not someone like Shaggy or me, because we were both disappointed Benitez left?

Why are you "not judging the man" whereas we "want him to fail?"

[Fredo]

Sounds harsh i know for any LFC supporter to want a manager to fail but some people actually do shockingly enough, it seems to me that within our fan base its an us against them mentality which really is embarrassing so so called great supporters.

If Roy is still managing in the same way in 2 months time and the team are still performing at this level well then criticism is more than justified but IMO is unfair at this juncture.

I don't think people who are against Roy's tenure want Liverpool to fail. That's a complete fallacy. It's about wanting what is best for the club, and some people just feel that Roy isn't better than what we had.

It's all good plodding along and waiting for things to get better but then again, I'm sure some people were vociferous enough to call for the previous manager to be sacked after one bad season and under the well known conditions in which the manager was working under.

What do you think when you see our manager tell the world that he didn't expect better than a 0-0 away at Birmingham? Don't you have a feeling that we're just going down the mediocre route?

We need a revolution to fight off the current owners and we need a revolution on the pitch. Benitez was prepared to do that, Hodgson isn't. That's where lies the crux of the matter, in my opinion.

[Shaggy]

Perkins, I was laughing at you for being so utterly moronic as to suggest to me that I expected/wanted Mourinho to take over. It's laughable.

You tell us to "get realistic" - what's realistic? Does "being realistic" mean "be happy to accept mediocrity"?

I wanted to keep our top level manager. Yes he made **** ups last season and it was a disaster. I just didn't want rid of him because we were always going to end up with a worse manager.

Under Rafa we ended up worse off in the end than we were when he originally took over, that is a fact.

No it isn't a fact. It's your poxy opinion.

[CJ]

obviously some of those who are not enjoying this are pro rafa its common sense that one follows the other really.

my problem with Roy is that he has the same weaknesses (and more imo) than Rafa. If you didnt like the style of play under Rafa then you wouldnt under Roy. Also as someone stated about us playing deeper that really is like under Houllier.

Roy has strengths and i do think we should back our manager it doesnt get rid of that sinking feeling though.

To blame Rafa for Roys performance is childish. The reason Rafa failed in the end and that Ray may possibly fail is the owners.

When a new manager comes in you sometimes see players happier etc etc but we havent seen that, as i said in another post we have been crap for about 12 months now there have been different players different managers to me that points to something seriously wrong at the club. We know there is something wrong and its the owners.

That cloud needs lifting and then things will improve hopefully

[saj]

well unless Sammy Lee takes over the job......

@red g - eat a dick

(I just feel like starting an argument for no reason - leggooooo)

[Qantaga]

I really wish we still had Rafa, but we don't. We have Roy and while I don't love the guy we should be supporting him. The fact is though Rafa wouldn't be doing any better a job, it's been said here before; we just don't have the quality. On that bombshell, a big middle finger to this thread!
Appointing Roy wasn't the mistake, but getting rid of Rafa. I hope there's not a new army of Roy haters like there were Rafa haters, now that would be sad!

[Shaggy]

Refusing to consider any mitigations for Roy (being new etc) because of bitterness over Rafa is just something I disagree with. And the 'genuine fans' bull**** is pathetic, a sort of football forum godwins law.

a) What about mitigation for last season? No? Not interested?
b) I only said 'genuine fans' because he accused a bunch of us of wanting Roy to fail. No genuine fan wants that. An internet point-scoring cunt who's never set foot in the ground might think like that, a fan doesn't. It reflects poorly only on Perkins for even suggesting it.

[Chris]

People like you (i'd imagine pro rafa could be wrong) wanted Roy to fail from the get go

You really have some nerve. Does the same logic apply to you with Meireles, you called him "terrible", can we assume you want him to fail aswell?

I did love how your Meireles is

"but i'm not gonna to bitch about players or knock them when they have only played 45-90 mins or haven't even signed for us, i just think that its very premature and knee jerk."

comment came just days before saying : "I like Roy but having watching Merieles over the year i think i he terrible, gutted. Really hope i'm wrong, i really do but not excited by this at all. Was actually taking piss out of him in the world cup, haha egg on my face. Woke up to text by mate absolute Merieles, shocked."

You're a far far far worse version of Rashid.

[Vermilion]

I'm surprised Rafa stayed as long as he did considering the total ****e he got from the board and ownership, making a profit on transfer dealing at a club like lfc....selling players for 3 times what he paid only to see a pittance added to his budget, untill the club was sold we were moving forward nicely imo, once that happened it was everyman for themselves it seemed...a disjointed and distrustful ownership and board.....and that's what sent us on a spiral imo...not the man Rafa Benitez.

[Shaggy]

You really have some nerve. Does the same logic apply to you with Meireles, you called him "terrible", can we assume you want him to fail aswell?

I did love how your Meireles is

"but i'm not gonna to bitch about players or knock them when they have only played 45-90 mins or haven't even signed for us, i just think that its very premature and knee jerk."

comment came just days before saying : "I like Roy but having watching Merieles over the year i think i he terrible, gutted. Really hope i'm wrong, i really do but not excited by this at all. Was actually taking piss out of him in the world cup, haha egg on my face. Woke up to text by mate absolute Merieles, shocked."

You're a far far far worse version of Rashid.

Too ****ing right.

[danperkins]

Do you seriously think I or anybody else would spend good money going to watch the Reds this season hoping we'll fail? Are you really that clueless? You've been banned from several LFC forums, FFS you didn't even survive your own welcome thread on one of them. No ****ing wonder either, given the drivel you post.

Haha here we go that old chestnut so lets clarify I have been banned for "1" site mate, Koptalk & well either banned or i chose to leave, i'll let you decide.

And if you honestly think TLW which is completely unmoderated is an actual site where people discuss football your deluded, its a free for all over there, so lets not try and pull that card because you've made stupid knee jerk comments about the manager after a few games. You are a long time poster here and thats fair enough but you have made a fool of yourself bitching about the manager even before he started, there's no need to be an abusive cunt either mate.

And don't go on the defensive now about Roy its clear how you feel about the man, you want him out.

[CJ]

So you completely avoided the question, i'll answer it for you mate, plain and simple he signed flops that did nothing productive for our team, he wasted about 60 million on the likes of Dosenna/Keane/Riera/Skrtel/Aqua/Maxi blah blah blah, and those flops earned massive wages, and what has any of these done, **** all is the answer!

Rafa did not sign one decent players in his last 2 seasons which contributed massively to our downfall. Kamikaze in the transfer market regardless of what he has to spend.

I didnt avoid the question. ok Dosenna sold lost not much money on him. Same on Keane, Riera whilst turning out to be **** for one season didnt half give us balance. Its interesting that was our best season in the league and in terms of football played. After that I agree a ****e but sold and got some money back. Skrtel. Looks a liability but has for some time looked a real defender. it is lack of confidence? man marking not sure but i take your point on him. Aqua a risk it backfired would like to have seen a bit more for him but looking at how we play and did play last season cant say it would have suited him. Maxi a free agent and actually a useful squad player i think.

so i doubt that **** all is the answer at all.

[Shaggy]

Haha here we go that old chestnut so lets clarify I have been banned for "1" site mate, Koptalk & well either banned or i chose to leave, i'll let you decide.

And if you honestly think TLW which is completely unmoderated is an actual site where people discuss football your deluded, its a free for all over there, so lets not try and pull that card because you've made stupid knee jerk comments about the manager after a few games. You are a long time poster here and thats fair enough but you have made a fool of yourself bitching about the manager even before he started, there's no need to be an abusive cunt either mate.

And don't go on the defensive now about Roy its clear how you feel about the man, you want him out.

Thanks for telling me what I think.

I can't believe I'm even dignifying your brain-damaged ****e with a response.

As Chris pointed out when he made you look an even bigger cunt than normal, how is me not rating Hodgson but wanting to be proved wrong any different to you not rating the "terrible" Meireles and also wanting to be proved wrong?

I didn't want Roy here and if I came into £500bn tomorrow and bought LFC, I'd replace him, yeah. But that's fantasy land. I don't really want him out after four games as I don't want us changing managers all the time, we would be in an even bigger mess if we sacked him. So no, I don't want him out.