Appointing Roy - A huge mistake

[dww]

And we were doing it home to West Brom. Containing West Brom, at Anfield!!! Couldnt believe my eyes, it's what he does though, loads of Fulham players like Murphy and Etuhu have said already that Hughes has moved them higher up the pitch and has them pressing higher. While Stephen Kelly has already said the training has far more variety than just concentrating on defensive shape like Roy did.

I think he'll be gone before the end of the season, if Purslow can admit he was wrong that is.

The thing is that a lot of teams/managers start with defensive shape and perhaps he felt that at Fulham he didn't have the resources to move beyond that. You would hope that this is merely phase one of his plan for the team. That said I'm not sure that there is anything obvious in his CV to point to as a model for that. In fairness though when I suggested that Roys teams played more boring football than we did under Rafa people who watched Fulham more frequently than I on here said that this wasn't their experience.

My feeling is that even Roys defensive shape is out dated and the better teams are using more high pressing and a different shape. Like Rafa with zonal marking though it is probably worth seeing how it works once he has our players understanding what he wants.

We had the same sort of 'fresh approach' comments about Roy when Rafa left as you are mentioning for Hughes at Fulham. It's just what people say when the managerial regime changes to be honest.

[danperkins]

If Rafa failed **** only knows what you will be saying about Roy Hodgson in 2 years time. What will be deemed success?

CL win? Fa cup win? ranked top club in europe? best striker in world signed? challenging for league title?


would you sack wenger?

Firstly Rafa is gone get over it, ultimately he failed mate and he's gone, there's a new man in now, and its 4 games gone and people have written him off already never mind 2 years.

It really is the bitter rafa supporters that have started this backlash, what the **** is going on to make all of us so divided. People want what is best for the club i think, Rafa was not that, its was Rafa F.C. and not Liverpool F.C., is Roy the right man for the job? I don't know but i'll certainly with the guy a chance before i rip the **** out of him.

[danperkins]

the thing that Rafa wasted loads of money is to put it politely bollocks

So what do you call his signings over last 2 years then?

[Kenneth]

...but, but, but it's just one player. The manager should be doing better.



As so many said after Xabi left.

But then Rafa did buy a 20m players as a replacement. Something Roy can only dream of.

[RichC]

People like you (i'd imagine pro rafa could be wrong) wanted Roy to fail from the get go, rafa failed get over it, who did you honestly expect us to get Mourinho,common? Get realistic! You have done nothing but bitch and moan even before Hogson even started. You have not given the guy an inch and are ready to jump on him with the claws out at any time.

Rafa is responsible for the teams horrific performance last year and thus the state we are in, he wasted vast amounts of money over past 2 years and got in sub standard/mediocre players that have contributed nothing to the club except draining the wage bill, Roy has got some of these drains off side and said himself that he wanted rid of a few more i.e. Lucas and Babel but just ran out of time, i'm sure they'll be off in January god willing!!!

Unlike you Rafa apologists although i want Roy to succeed i am well aware of his mistakes thus far and have said as much on other threads, i have no problem in admitting them but with the circumstances he has come into zero funds, struggling to keep top players,Masch going, late signings, Cole being Sent off in first game, poxy fixtures so early on , not having 4 or 5 players bedded in, its embarrassing to be giving the chap so much stick, ****ing pathetic mate seriously.

If he is still picking dodgy teams, showing a complete lack of urgency and playing negative football (Rafa all over) in two months with a full squad of bedded in players, well then i'll be giving him **** too, but until then its grossly unfair and its cringeworthy to listen to at this stage in the season.

At the end of the day Roys in charge we need to give him time, Rafa had 6 seasons and did bloody well for the most part (season 1 and 6 apart).

Things as per usualy haven't happened in the manner we'd have liked as said above but we really need to give Roy time - 4 games in the league is not enough especially as the teams he's sent out aren't really his first choice 11

He wasnt the mosts inspiring of choices but he's who we've got so we need to get on with it - come the end of this season we should be looking at how he's done in terms of where we finish in the league not based on 4 league games.

[Fredo]

People like you (i'd imagine pro rafa could be wrong) wanted Roy to fail from the get go, rafa failed get over it, who did you honestly expect us to get Mourinho,common? Get realistic! You have done nothing but bitch and moan even before Hogson even started. You have not given the guy an inch and are ready to jump on him with the claws out at any time.

Rafa is responsible for the teams horrific performance last year and thus the state we are in, he wasted vast amounts of money over past 2 years and got in sub standard/mediocre players that have contributed nothing to the club except draining the wage bill, Roy has got some of these drains off side and said himself that he wanted rid of a few more i.e. Lucas and Babel but just ran out of time, i'm sure they'll be off in January god willing!!!

As have been said, Benitez only one bad season. He took us from mediocrity after the abject end to Houllier's tenure and made us the best team in Europe for two or three years on the trot.

It only got bad because of the constant struggles he had with the club's directors who were imposing financial restrictions to his spending. He was overtly political and they didn't like it. That's why he's gone. On pure footballing matters there were no grounds to sack him. Hodgson's appointment made no sense because he doesn't bring a radical change. It's a definite step down from the previous regime.

[Shaggy]

Now you're just being a patronising cunt.

Great response.

That prick said some of us want Roy to fail.

And seriously, tell me what "back the manager" means. It's happy clapper bull****. I can vent here, I can vent in the pub. How does that effect anything? I won't abuse him in the ground because he's the manager and I want him to do well and prove me wrong. I never, ever wanted a manager as mediocre as Hodgson. Wouldn't it be completely spineless of me to just fold after his appointment and accept it? "Oh well he's the manager now, I suppose I'd better revise my opinion and start clapping my hands"

It's a ****ing opinion, deal with it.

[saj]

Roy will go down as one of the shortest managers in Liverpool's history. We would have been better off bringing back Roy Evans.

[red g]

We seem to share very similiar opinions, i do like Roy and would love to see him succeed but yes he has made some errors, man marking i don't mind its just we have weak links in our defense like Johnson who is not a natural defender and Skrtel who is just a liability.

Skrtel over Agger was baffling, i'm not sure if Roy was trying to rest Agger but it didn't work out too well for us.

Man City line up i can excuse

Lucas & Poulsen together i hate but with Masch pulling out at last minute and Merieles only coming in before Brum game i can see why he did it, but he could have easily put Stevie in there and Babel upfront behind Torres, instead our midfield was stagnant,lacked movement and any sort of creativity. Lucas/Poulsen is a big no no as far as i'm concerned and i think, well i hope that Roy with more options now will see this.

As for the late subs, really ****ed me off, thought he showed a complete lack of any sort of urgency, i used to feel the same way when Rafa was in charge and Roy is literally doing the same thing, even later!

Anyways i will not judge the man until he has the personnel at his disposal and they are fully fit and bedded in, i think its ludicrous for anyone to do write him off (mostly Rafa followers) with the **** that Rafa left him, zero funds, Masch leaving, late signings and a poxy fixture list, i think the man does deserves some slack and some time to make the team his own, which he has to do! If in 2 months time we're still playing this way well then he's in serious trouble but i highly doubt we will be.

bang on

[Shaggy]

Sounds harsh i know for any LFC supporter to want a manager to fail but some people actually do shockingly enough, it seems to me that within our fan base its an us against them mentality which really is embarrassing so so called great supporters.

If Roy is still managing in the same way in 2 months time and the team are still performing at this level well then criticism is more than justified but IMO is unfair at this juncture.

Do you seriously think I or anybody else would spend good money going to watch the Reds this season hoping we'll fail? Are you really that clueless? You've been banned from several LFC forums, FFS you didn't even survive your own welcome thread on one of them. No ****ing wonder either, given the drivel you post.

[CJ]

So what do you call his signings over last 2 years then?

He made a profit that was the problem. dont beleive everything they say on skysports you know.

As have been said, Benitez only one bad season. He took us from mediocrity after the abject end to Houllier's tenure and made us the best team in Europe for two or three years on the trot.

It only got bad because of the constant struggles he had with the club's directors who were imposing financial restrictions to his spending. He was overtly political and they didn't like it. That's why he's gone. On pure footballing matters there were no grounds to sack him. Hodgson's appointment made no sense because he doesn't bring a radical change. It's a definite step down from the previous regime.

i agree with this apart from the fact that football gave them a reason to sack him. this was due to an awful season by our standards, the causes are many discussed but i think this gave those who wanted him out a good excuse. If Rafa hadnt been so political etc then i bet he would still be here but the reason they could get rid was because of the performance last season. They didnt get rid because of the performance but it gave them the opportunity they wanted.

hope that makes sense.

[danperkins]

As for this

This was part of the reason why so many of us didn't want Rafa to go. It was always going to be a downgrade. No-one expected Mourinho (I didn't expect or want the ****ing cunt), if Rafa was to go a downgrade was inevitable.

People like you wanted him out and knew we'd get a downgraded manager.

You're happy with that, I'm not.

As for this hahaha, what are you 12? Keep it sensible mate

Rafa brought LFC as far as he could go, he went in to kamikaze mode in the last year and his signings over the last 2 years, i don't think there has been one success, probably about 60-70 million quid wasted!

Under Rafa we ended up worse off in the end than we were when he originally took over, that is a fact. He started off great, maybe too great and it was downhill for there. He is gone mate and for the good of the club i'm delighted he is gone. Actually why are we even talking about him, he is gone.

Roy was a steady the ship manager, we needed that and nobody in their right mind with a cracking C.V. was going to take up the reins. Nobody expects us to win the league under him, and people knew it was going to be an uphill struggle to keep players and to challenge for a champs league place but the least you can do as a LFC is get behind for few months and see what he does with the new players bedded in and when he has the team playing his way.

If by then we are still playing **** well then i will be with you in slating him, until then its unfair.

[Tee]

And seriously, tell me what "back the manager" means. It's happy clapper bull****. I can vent here, I can vent in the pub. How does that effect anything? I won't abuse him in the ground because he's the manager and I want him to do well and prove me wrong. I never, ever wanted a manager as mediocre as Hodgson. Wouldn't it be completely spineless of me to just fold after his appointment and accept it? "Oh well he's the manager now, I suppose I'd better revise my opinion and start clapping my hands"

Spot on Shaggy. Exactly how I feel as well.

[BG1973]

Firstly Rafa is gone get over it, ultimately he failed mate and he's gone, there's a new man in now, and its 4 games gone and people have written him off already never mind 2 years.

It really is the bitter rafa supporters that have started this backlash, what the **** is going on to make all of us so divided. People want what is best for the club i think, Rafa was not that, its was Rafa F.C. and not Liverpool F.C., is Roy the right man for the job? I don't know but i'll certainly with the guy a chance before i rip the **** out of him.

I have not written Hodgson off but I object to you saying Rafa failed - I am very bitter about that because imo it is complete and utter horse****.

He failed to match someone like your expectations where he should never make any mistakes, both tactically, politically and on the field. But his results over the course of his tenure (apart from one very difficult season) were good and we had some great times. I don't know how you can say he failed.

Staright question. What will Hodgson have to do to be deemed a success because it seems you want him given a chance yet have unrealistic standards - if they are the standards against which you claim Benitez failed.

I would suggest Hodgson has failed already because apparently Rafa was the problem yet the team is performing no better. Success would have been to come in a make an immediate mark on the team. He has not done that.

[red g]

Roy will go down as one of the shortest managers in Liverpool's history. We would have been better off bringing back Roy Evans.

well unless Sammy Lee takes over the job......