Appointing Roy - A huge mistake

[lancinleeds]

There's a long list of fantastic English managers who haven't been given a chance and I'm sure would do a great job.

Phil Brown

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Are you serial?

[Fredo]

Benitez's last year in charge was undermined. I've got nothing to back that up but I don't think he had everyone pulling behind him and by that I mean the directors down to some of the players. Something broke last season and things that we read (intentionally fed to the press maybe?) were made for a specific reason, force him out of the club.

[danperkins]

People like you need to make your mind up.

You all wanted Rafa out because we were 'underachieving' and should've been doing much better with the players at our disposal. We should've made the top four, we didn't, etc.

Now he's gone and Roy has made a **** start, you apologists are making excuses for him by saying Rafa left him a load of **** and we can't expect to make the top 4 with the ****e left behind.

Which is it? Eh?

People like you (i'd imagine pro rafa could be wrong) wanted Roy to fail from the get go, rafa failed get over it, who did you honestly expect us to get Mourinho,common? Get realistic! You have done nothing but bitch and moan even before Hogson even started. You have not given the guy an inch and are ready to jump on him with the claws out at any time.

Rafa is responsible for the teams horrific performance last year and thus the state we are in, he wasted vast amounts of money over past 2 years and got in sub standard/mediocre players that have contributed nothing to the club except draining the wage bill, Roy has got some of these drains off side and said himself that he wanted rid of a few more i.e. Lucas and Babel but just ran out of time, i'm sure they'll be off in January god willing!!!

Unlike you Rafa apologists although i want Roy to succeed i am well aware of his mistakes thus far and have said as much on other threads, i have no problem in admitting them but with the circumstances he has come into zero funds, struggling to keep top players,Masch going, late signings, Cole being Sent off in first game, poxy fixtures so early on , not having 4 or 5 players bedded in, its embarrassing to be giving the chap so much stick, ****ing pathetic mate seriously.

If he is still picking dodgy teams, showing a complete lack of urgency and playing negative football (Rafa all over) in two months with a full squad of bedded in players, well then i'll be giving him **** too, but until then its grossly unfair and its cringeworthy to listen to at this stage in the season.

[Fredo]

Are you serial?

No, I was trying to be sarcastic.

[BG1973]

People like you need to make your mind up.

You all wanted Rafa out because we were 'underachieving' and should've been doing much better with the players at our disposal. We should've made the top four, we didn't, etc.

Now he's gone and Roy has made a **** start, you apologists are making excuses for him by saying Rafa left him a load of **** and we can't expect to make the top 4 with the ****e left behind.

Which is it? Eh?

eggfcukingactly.

everyone always said be careful what you wish for.. we let a proven quality manager go. a manager with a history of winning trophies on a budget - who put us number 1 in euro rankings, who improved the playing squad, who progressively improved league performances*. He was not perfect and made mistakes but he was improving us - and on a budget.

We paid him £6 million to leave and we replaced him with... Roy Hodgson who has a history of.... averageness.

* except in his final year when under mounting internal and external pressure and without 2 star players for nearly 50% of league matches.

[Kenneth]

People like you (i'd imagine pro rafa could be wrong) wanted Roy to fail from the get go, rafa failed get over it, who did you honestly expect us to get Mourinho,common? Get realistic! You have done nothing but bitch and moan even before Hogson even started. You have not given the guy an inch and are ready to jump on him with the claws out at any time.

Rafa is responsible for the teams horrific performance last year and thus the state we are in, he wasted vast amounts of money over past 2 years and got in sub standard/mediocre players that have contributed nothing to the club except draining the wage bill, Roy has got some of these drains off side and said himself that he wanted rid of a few more i.e. Lucas and Babel but just ran out of time, i'm sure they'll be off in January god willing!!!

Unlike you Rafa apologists although i want Roy to succeed i am well aware of his mistake thus far and have said as much on other threads but with the circumstances he has come into zero funds, struggling to keep top players,Masch going, late signings, Cole being Sent off in first game, poxy fixtures so early on , not having 4 or 5 players bedded in, its embarrassing to be giving the chap so much stick, ****ing pathetic mate seriously.

If he is still picking dodgy teams, showing a complete lack of urgency and playing negative football (Rafa all over) in two months with a full squad of bedded in players, well then i'll be giving him **** too, but until then its grossly unfair and its cringeworthy to listen to at this stage in the season.

Harsh but fair.

[tsb]

Personally I am clinging to the fact that every manager I've seen in control of this club has at least managed to win one trophy, no matter how **** they were.

Just want to win something, anything! Milk Cup will do.

[Shaggy]

People like you (i'd imagine pro rafa could be wrong) wanted Roy to fail from the get go

Give it a rest you moron, suggesting any Red actually wants LFC to do badly only reflects badly on you. If that's how your tiny mind works, then so be it.

I never wanted Hodgson here in the first place - now he's here it doesn't mean that a) I'm suddenly going to turn into a happy clapper just because he got the job and it's the 'rules' that we "back him" (WTF does that actually mean anyway?) and b) it certainly doesn't mean I'd rather be proved right than LFC do well. Maybe that ****e works for you - it doesn't work like that for genuine Reds.

[BG1973]

People like you (i'd imagine pro rafa could be wrong) wanted Roy to fail from the get go, rafa failed get over it, who did you honestly expect us to get Mourinho,common? Get realistic! You have done nothing but bitch and moan even before Hogson even started. You have not given the guy an inch and are ready to jump on him with the claws out at any time.

Rafa is responsible for the teams horrific performance last year and thus the state we are in, he wasted vast amounts of money over past 2 years and got in sub standard/mediocre players that have contributed nothing to the club except draining the wage bill, Roy has got some of these drains off side and said himself that he wanted rid of a few more i.e. Lucas and Babel but just ran out of time, i'm sure they'll be off in January god willing!!!

Unlike you Rafa apologists although i want Roy to succeed i am well aware of his mistakes thus far and have said as much on other threads, i have no problem in admitting them but with the circumstances he has come into zero funds, struggling to keep top players,Masch going, late signings, Cole being Sent off in first game, poxy fixtures so early on , not having 4 or 5 players bedded in, its embarrassing to be giving the chap so much stick, ****ing pathetic mate seriously.

If he is still picking dodgy teams, showing a complete lack of urgency and playing negative football (Rafa all over) in two months with a full squad of bedded in players, well then i'll be giving him **** too, but until then its grossly unfair and its cringeworthy to listen to at this stage in the season.

If Rafa failed **** only knows what you will be saying about Roy Hodgson in 2 years time. What will be deemed success?

CL win? Fa cup win? ranked top club in europe? best striker in world signed? challenging for league title?


would you sack wenger?

[danperkins]

Harsh but fair.

Sounds harsh i know for any LFC supporter to want a manager to fail but some people actually do shockingly enough, it seems to me that within our fan base its an us against them mentality which really is embarrassing so so called great supporters.

If Roy is still managing in the same way in 2 months time and the team are still performing at this level well then criticism is more than justified but IMO is unfair at this juncture.

[Exiled_red]

ignoring the loss of Mascherano, which has weakened us, Rafa should had done better with the players after coaching them for 5 years. Roy has done no worse than last season after 5mins of coaching. With a suitable amount of time, I think he'll do ok. Comparing Rafa's team and tactics after 5 years and Roy's now is not like for like.

I agree last season was bad, and without getting into a discussion about Rafa, I think that last season went as badly as it could have gone with the injuries, errors, bad luck etc. I feel that had we been able to replay last season we do couldn't do as badly as we did. In some ways this sets the bar low for Roy, but as I feel we underperformed last year, if we were to say finish 6th this season, I wouldn't say that was an improvement.

[Kenneth]

Give it a rest you moron, suggesting any Red actually wants LFC to do badly only reflects badly on you. If that's how your tiny mind works, then so be it.

I never wanted Hodgson here in the first place - now he's here it doesn't mean that a) I'm suddenly going to turn into a happy clapper just because he got the job and it's the 'rules' that we "back him" (WTF does that actually mean anyway?) and b) it certainly doesn't mean I'd rather be proved right than LFC do well. Maybe that ****e works for you - it doesn't work like that for genuine Reds.

Now you're just being a patronising cunt.

[Shaggy]

People like you (i'd imagine pro rafa could be wrong) wanted Roy to fail from the get go, rafa failed get over it, who did you honestly expect us to get Mourinho,common? Get realistic! You have done nothing but bitch and moan even before Hogson even started. You have not given the guy an inch and are ready to jump on him with the claws out at any time.

As for this

This was part of the reason why so many of us didn't want Rafa to go. It was always going to be a downgrade. No-one expected Mourinho (I didn't expect or want the ****ing cunt), if Rafa was to go a downgrade was inevitable.

People like you wanted him out and knew we'd get a downgraded manager.

You're happy with that, I'm not.

[Roboklopp]

ignoring the loss of Mascherano, which has weakened us, Rafa should had done better with the players after coaching them for 5 years. Roy has done no worse than last season after 5mins of coaching. With a suitable amount of time, I think he'll do ok. Comparing Rafa's team and tactics after 5 years and Roy's now is not like for like.

...but, but, but it's just one player. The manager should be doing better.



As so many said after Xabi left.

[CJ]

the thing that Rafa wasted loads of money is to put it politely bollocks