Appointing Roy - A huge mistake

[Arn]

As a swede i have followed Roy a lot over the years. He will do a god solid job until we get a new owner who then probably will replace him with a new manager.

I don't expect any miracles from him. Just that he takes us through a very difficult time.

It wasn't a mistake to appoint him. How many really wanted the job in the first place? We aren't that attractive out there right now.

He isn't top class but he is one of the best we could get if you consider the situation we are in.

[DannyMan2006]

I looked at the start of the season fixtures and thought Hodgo would get a tough deal from the fans. 4 games in ffs. He needs a season before he can be judged.

We've been lucky that Spurs and City have dropped points tbh, but we'll take that luck with thanks and hopefully results will pick up after the United game, regardless of the result.

[DannyMan2006]

As a swede i have followed Roy a lot over the years. He will do a god solid job until we get a new owner who then probably will replace him with a new manager.

I don't expect any miracles from him. Just that he takes us through a very difficult time.

It wasn't a mistake to appoint him. How many really wanted the job in the first place? We aren't that attractive out there right now.

He isn't top class but he is one of the best we could get if you consider the situation we are in.

We could have got others in. I don't know if he was the best we could get, IMO he wasn't. Personally I'd rather have had one of Dalglish or O'Neil if we're talking British manager.

But it is what it is and he DESERVES time. For him not to get it from the Liverpool fans is Shameful IMO.

[Arn]

We could have got others in. I don't know if he was the best we could get, IMO he wasn't. Personally I'd rather have had one of Dalglish or O'Neil if we're talking British manager.

But it is what it is and he DESERVES time. For him not to get it from the Liverpool fans is Shameful IMO.

He deserves time so I agree 100% with you. No one know how good he is as a manager of a top class club. We don't even know what system he will use when he get the chance to play his best eleven.

Will he play Gerrard in the middle or behind Torres? Maybe he will play Gerrard on the right in a 4-2-3-1? Who knows?

It's way to early to judge him. Judge him after a year. Then we will know more what he really want to achieve.

I just hope that he don't say ever again that he is happy with a point. We should always at least try to win the game and not park the bus.

[DannyMan2006]

I just hope that he don't say ever again that he is happy with a point. We should always at least try to win the game and not park the bus.

Trust me, after watching the game I was happy with a point........ And considering Brum haven't lost at home in a year it's actually not too bad a result.

It was the performance that was horrid, we'll see if things improve after United when we will once again have to come out and be gunning for three points.

[peekay]

In fairness to Roy, he's had no pre season with players you would call first teamers, I remember Lucas being the captain for most games. Some of the players didn't even play one pre season game and most were doing work with the new medical staff in England as opposed to travelling to Austria and playing games.

Every manager has different methods and tactics and in fairness to Roy he hasn't had nearly as much time as he'd have wanted to get his ideas across.

Throw in the fact we've had to put up with a Lucas and Poulsen combination in midfield, players throwing hissy fits less than 24hrs before a game and his star striker being severly short of match fitness and it's no suprise we've struggled.

I'll say it again and I will keep doing so until after the Sunderland game. Let's get Steau and Man Utd out the way, take what we can get and then see how we start doing against the Mackems and the other games before we play Chelsea.

Anything from Man Utd is a bonus for me, but after then the time for excuses is over.

I was not really convinced with his appointment. But I think he deserves time. If we are still playing like the way we played against West Brom at Bolton, then I will really start loosing hope.

After Man United we have Sunderland (H), Blackpool (H), Everton (A), Blackburn (H), Bolton (A), Chelsea (H)

[Icon]

Trust me, after watching the game I was happy with a point........ And considering Brum haven't lost at home in a year it's actually not too bad a result.

It was the performance that was horrid, we'll see if things improve after United when we will once again have to come out and be gunning for three points.

That's the bitch about all this - we were horrible at their place (where they have a good record) and any other day we'd probably have got 3 points!

[Craig_H]

Ahhhhhh... ummmmmm..... fish fingers?

That sentence has like a quadruple negative in it, I've read it several times now and I still have no idea what exactly you're asking?

Ok, put simply....

After 6 years at the helm, some of us were thinking rafa wasnt the right man - and people said about how he deserved one more year - eg, give him another year to try and get it right....fair play. In hindsight, i wish he'd never gone...

But Roy - he hasnt even had 6 (league) GAMES yet, let alone 6 years....and yet already, people are saying they dont want him, he's not the right man, etc etc.

If 6 years wasnt long enough to conclude that Rafa wasnt going to succeed, how can a few weeks be enough to conclude that Roy isnt?

[DannyMan2006]

After Man United we have Sunderland (H), Blackpool (H), Everton (A), Blackburn (H), Bolton (A), Chelsea (H)

Including the Manc game there is a possible 21 points up for grabs there. I think 13 is the minimum we should be looking at from those fixtures, as that takes into account defeats to Man Utd and Chelsea and a draw away to Everton.

Anything better and happy days. I think CL footy is two points from every possible three, and that's only a point shy despite that including three of our toughest games in that seven game period.

I think any less than 13 points and the critics would quite rightly be asking questions at that stage.

After that period of games we have around 15 league games were the only tricky fixtures would be Spurs and Stoke away and Everton and Villa at home. Something like 36 points from a possible 45 would be well within our grasp.

That would take us up to about 54 points after about 26 games and would leave us on target for the two points from three target required for a top 4 place.

It's hardly Championship winning form, but that is not our aim this year. I think have set realistic targets and that takes us well into February. If we conclude some good business in the transfer market that would set us up for a good finish to the end of the season.

[DannyMan2006]

Ok, put simply....

After 6 years at the helm, some of us were thinking rafa wasnt the right man - and people said about how he deserved one more year - eg, give him another year to try and get it right....fair play. In hindsight, i wish he'd never gone...

But Roy - he hasnt even had 6 (league) GAMES yet, let alone 6 years....and yet already, people are saying they dont want him, he's not the right man, etc etc.

If 6 years wasnt long enough to conclude that Rafa wasnt going to succeed, how can a few weeks be enough to conclude that Roy isnt?

Well if we were to appoint Kevin Keegan i think people would rightly be asking questions and suggesting he wasn't the right man for the job, and that would be before a ball has been kicked.

People have since see us play games this season and in total fairness we've looked no better than what we did under Rafa. We can argue he hasn't had players available but at the end of the day it's a long season and points need to be picked up whenever you can get them. Making excuses now does no one any favours.

Roy knew the pressures when he came here and knew the history of the club. He will also know that the points tally picked up so far isn't acceptable for a club the size of Liverpool, regardless of a financial crisis. Clubs like Birmingham would love to have players like Gerrard and Torres in their team, so turning up at St. Andrews and getting out played can not just be taken on the chin because we had a couple of players missing.

People don't care about fitness of players or about time needed to settle into tactics and formations. It's do or die at the big clubs and Roy needs to deliver.

He will at the very least get until we bring new owners in. An extended stay for him will depend very much on how he does between now and then.

[Fredo]

Ok, put simply....

After 6 years at the helm, some of us were thinking rafa wasnt the right man - and people said about how he deserved one more year - eg, give him another year to try and get it right....fair play. In hindsight, i wish he'd never gone...

But Roy - he hasnt even had 6 (league) GAMES yet, let alone 6 years....and yet already, people are saying they dont want him, he's not the right man, etc etc.

If 6 years wasnt long enough to conclude that Rafa wasnt going to succeed, how can a few weeks be enough to conclude that Roy isnt?

Some people wouldn't give Roy time because they saw the appointment as a downgrade from Benitez.

Still, he needs more time before we finally judge him and one year is not enough. I think he's got a 3 year contract, so I'd give him that. Hopefully he'll get more money and he can invest in the team properly.

But I don't get the assumption that he's managed wonders with limited resources means he'll do even better at a club with better players/resources. Every club is different and he's got the kind of pressure he probably never ever experienced anywhere.

I personally don't rate Hodgson and from what I've seen (over the years) but I'm not going to say that he won't be a success here. Stranger things have happened and I'll be very happy if he can prove me wrong.

[Pablo]

Posted my last post on TLW, enough of that free for all for full of abusive kids.

Hang on, I just checked and, yep, none of us give a ****

[malg]

bollocks to thursday, half of the players will be rested.
Why are you negative? You've just written Hodgson will never do 'it' for the reds, whatever 'it' actually is.

Ok lets see what we do on Sunday then, or will it be another weak excuse from some people that we are haveing a hard start to the season. The play is ****e the motivation appears to be zilch. As I said hope I'm proved wrong but Hodgeson is not the right manager for Liverpool, who is I don't know.

[Fierce]

Hold on, how is it that it was considered unfair to not think rafa was the right man (whilst being told he should have one more year), yet it's not unfair to not want Hodgson (or to still not rate him) before he's had one full month, let alone another year?

Ahhhhhh... ummmmmm..... fish fingers?

That sentence has like a quadruple negative in it, I've read it several times now and I still have no idea what exactly you're asking?

I thought exactly the same

Hang on, I just checked and, yep, none of us give a ****

[danperkins]

Hang on, I just checked and, yep, none of us give a ****

Question for ya, why would you bother to pick the last line from my post, ignore everything else and come out with a smart arse comment when its completely unnecessary?

Give it a ****ing rest u child.