Johnson vs. Kelly

[Mostar]

Glen Johnson all the way for me. Kelly will make it IMO but I don't want him to suffer like Insua did last year. Kelly will make mistakes as he's still learning and the problem when young fullbacks make mistakes in the top flight is they get to read about them on the back page. I think he'll do well for us but he still needs to be eased into it.

Absolutely Kelly is a very good prospect but atm he is no match to GJ.

One is first choice full back for England. The other doesn't even start for the under 21's.

Kelly will make it here if given the chance, but he is not a better right full back than Glen Johnson.

See that Steau goalscorer run between Kelly and Krygiakos last night? Ever seen the opposition do that when Johnson has played?

Not one goal has been scored from down our right hand side this season and I can't remember last time Johnson cost us a game other than Arsenal at Anfield last year which was ages a go. He ain't as bad as people make out.

He is much better defender than some people give him credit for it. The problem with GJ is that he is so inconsistant. He has shown glimpses of brilliance in some games and than again there are games that he cannot be found anywhere. You never know which one will show up.

Nevertheless to me GJ is a first choice for RB.

[Slinky Skills]

He isn't good enough as a defender.

If you look at players such as Cole, Clichy, Evra. They are all quality defenders. All left sided though, I really can't think of who's good enough on the right from any club.

All of the above are great at going forwards, very physical extremley fit lads who can all defend and tackle, much quicker at getting back than Johnson is and much better defenders.

Johnson is not quick or good enough to get back hence why he often gets caught out. I guess a lot of which could be attributed to his teamates who need to do more to help him out, there's no doubt about that.

There is a lot of room for improvement with Johnson. He has something we've been crying out for some time and this is the ability to go forwards, he needs to sort his defensive game out though.

I'm not trying to be a dick here btw or argue with anyone, I'm just trying to illustrate a point.

[Mostar]

He isn't good enough as a defender.

If you look at players such as Cole, Clichy, Evra. They are all quality defenders. All left sided though, I really can't think of who's good enough on the right from any club.

All of the above are great at going forwards, very physical extremley fit lads who can all defend and tackle, much quicker at getting back than Johnson is and much better defenders.

Johnson is not quick or good enough to get back hence why he often gets caught out. I guess a lot of which could be attributed to his teamates who need to do more to help him out, there's no doubt about that.

There is a lot of room for improvement with Johnson. He has something we've been crying out for some time and this is the ability to go forwards, he needs to sort his defensive game out though.

I'm not trying to be a dick here btw or argue with anyone, I'm just trying to illustrate a point.

I don't think anybody denies that he can improve but there are very few high quality RBs that can give you both ability to defend and attack.

He is a good footballer and I'm personally content with him as our pick for RB.

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[Gibbo]

Glen Johnson all the way for me. Kelly will make it IMO but I don't want him to suffer like Insua did last year. Kelly will make mistakes as he's still learning and the problem when young fullbacks make mistakes in the top flight is they get to read about them on the back page. I think he'll do well for us but he still needs to be eased into it.

I agree with this completely, the exact same opinion I share

He isn't good enough as a defender.

If you look at players such as Cole, Clichy, Evra. They are all quality defenders. All left sided though, I really can't think of who's good enough on the right from any club.

All of the above are great at going forwards, very physical extremley fit lads who can all defend and tackle, much quicker at getting back than Johnson is and much better defenders.

Johnson is not quick or good enough to get back hence why he often gets caught out. I guess a lot of which could be attributed to his teamates who need to do more to help him out, there's no doubt about that.

There is a lot of room for improvement with Johnson. He has something we've been crying out for some time and this is the ability to go forwards, he needs to sort his defensive game out though.

I'm not trying to be a dick here btw or argue with anyone, I'm just trying to illustrate a point.

How about Sergio Ramos at Madrid?

[Slinky Skills]

I agree with this completely, the exact same opinion I share





How about Sergio Ramos at Madrid?

Yeah!

Ace mate,

I was thinking of closer to home but he is a prime example. Lahm is another one.

Both excellent players.

[Fernandinho]

I think Ivanovic was very good last season despite prefering the middle. Sagna can be good, quick and strong but there isn't an out and out player like Cole/Evra

[Mattshark]

kelly johnson was she fit?

[DannyMan2006]

He isn't good enough as a defender.

If you look at players such as Cole, Clichy, Evra. They are all quality defenders. All left sided though, I really can't think of who's good enough on the right from any club.

All of the above are great at going forwards, very physical extremley fit lads who can all defend and tackle, much quicker at getting back than Johnson is and much better defenders.

Johnson is not quick or good enough to get back hence why he often gets caught out. I guess a lot of which could be attributed to his teamates who need to do more to help him out, there's no doubt about that.

There is a lot of room for improvement with Johnson. He has something we've been crying out for some time and this is the ability to go forwards, he needs to sort his defensive game out though.

I'm not trying to be a dick here btw or argue with anyone, I'm just trying to illustrate a point.

Ask Arsenal fans What Cole was like when he was younger........ Ashley is 4 years older than Glen, he wasn't really considered a quality Left Back until he was 24, a couple of years younger than Johnson is now but he learnt from a top coach in Wenger and then worked under Mourinho.

Johnson went to Chelsea to early in his career and stagnated and I think has been a bit of a late developer. I think Hodgson will teach him a lot when it comes to defending.

[danperkins]

IMO at the moment Kelly is a much more solid option at RB than Johnson, Johnson has bever been a good defender, his attributes were always best served going forward, his positional sense defensively is shocking and he gets caught out in almost every game. Kelly RB and Johnson RM IMO is a positive yet solid right hand side pairing. If Johnson is too stay RB he really has to improve his game drastically.

[Fernandinho]

I don't think his actual 1 on 1 defending is all the bad, its just once he gets the ball (especially vs brum) he tried to do too much (trying to beat the left mid up against him) and continually lost the ball, getting caught out. Luckily a lot of this occured near the sideline and the ball often ended up out, but we are still loosing possession a key area because of it.

[Mattshark]

IMO at the moment Kelly is a much more solid option at RB than Johnson, Johnson has bever been a good defender, his attributes were always best served going forward, his positional sense defensively is shocking and he gets caught out in almost every game. Kelly RB and Johnson RM IMO is a positive yet solid right hand side pairing. If Johnson is too stay RB he really has to improve his game.

On what basis? Kelly hasn't really been tested enough against good opposition for you to make such a claim.
Being an attack RB doesn't mean you can play RW.

[danperkins]

On what basis? Kelly hasn't really been tested enough against good opposition for you to make such a claim.
Being an attack RB doesn't mean you can play RW.

On what basis? Em The basis of watching Glen Johnson defend throughout his entire career. And Kelly has done well every time he has came in, he won't give you what Johnson can going forward and is a natural CB but he is defensively better than Johnson IMO, to be honest that is not hard, Johnson's positional sense is cruel, i'd prefer to utilise Johnson assets going forward.

[danperkins]

I don't think his actual 1 on 1 defending is all the bad, its just once he gets the ball (especially vs brum) he tried to do too much (trying to beat the left mid up against him) and continually lost the ball, getting caught out. Luckily a lot of this occured near the sideline and the ball often ended up out, but we are still loosing possession a key area because of it.

Your right mate he's very athletic and not easy to go around, its just his position sense is god awful, he has been caught out on set pieces and attacks so many times, very glaring. Clas player going forward and i'd love to see him given a more forward role

[Mattshark]

On what basis? Em The basis of watching Glen Johnson defend throughout his entire career. And Kelly has done well every time he has came in, he won't give you what Johnson can going forward and is a natural CB but he is defensively better than Johnson IMO, to be honest that is not hard, Johnson's positional sense is cruel, i'd prefer to utilise Johnson assets going forward.

In friendlies and against lower quality opposition, not really comparable to how Johnson has done (and Johnson was part of the 3rd best defence last season).
Being an attacking fullback doesn't make you a winger.