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    The TRUE story about the 23 goals!

    Here are the stats concerning the much talked about Gerrard goals.

    TNS - 5 goals - CM
    Kaunas - 2 goals - CM
    Chelsea(a) - 1 goal - RM
    Palace(a) 1 goal - CM
    Villa (a) 1 goal - RM
    Sunderland(a) 1 goal - RM
    Saprissa(WCC) 1 goal - RM
    Newcastle(h) 1 goal - CM
    Everton(a) 1 goal - RM
    Bolton(a) 1 goal - RM
    Luton(a) 1 gol - RM
    Pompey(a) 1 goal - RM
    Brum(h) 1 goal - CM
    Newcastle(a) 1 goal - CM
    Villa(h) 2 goals - CM
    West Ham(FA Cup Final) 2 goals (1 from RM the winner as a CM)

    Playing as a RM - 9 goals
    Playing as a CM -14 goals

    The problem is that Gerrard could easily have scored more from CM. The following games are not revised yet. There could have been substitutions which have resulted in Gerrard actually playing a CM, at the time he scored.

    Chelsea(a) - 1 goal - RM
    Villa (a) 1 goal - RM
    Sunderland(a) 1 goal - RM
    Saprissa(WCC) 1 goal - RM
    Everton(a) 1 goal - RM
    Bolton(a) 1 goal - RM
    Luton(a) 1 goal - RM
    Pompey(a) 1 goal - RM (Wasn't Cisse playing RW in that game?)
    West Ham (Final) 1 - RM (Confirmed RM).


    PS: Diego, this is not to piss you off. It's only a extra bonus
    PPS: In your face Shaggy
    Last edited by CAD; 25-10-06, 02:32 PM.


    We were somewhere around Barstow on the edge of the desert when the drugs began to take hold.

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    #2
    Did you also check that substitutions hadn't been made in any of the games wehere he started at CM and moved out right mid by the time the goal was scored.

    Oh and feck of using the 5 TNS goals, a one legged donkey with gout, missing one eye, and carrying a lead weight on it's back would have scored aginst them.
    Last edited by Morph; 25-10-06, 02:37 PM.
    Thomas Hicks Senior

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      #3
      Originally posted by CAD
      The problem is that Gerrard could easily have scored more from CM
      All stats aside....

      Whether he would've last season I don't know but I believe he would do in general.
      Like blood on iron

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        #4
        So is what you are saying that when Stevie plays well (like last season) he scores goals no matter where he plays as the difference in the two tallies is basically playing against TNS at CM. If that is the case then it doesn't affect the case for playing him on the right. Particularly against better teams where most people would agree that a Momo/Alonso partnership is good for defensive stability (assuming of course that we choose to discuss players playing well).
        "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
        -- William Blake

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          #5
          so add a few rm goals from the bottom sutrackt the 7 tns and kaunas goals, as they are not worthy of being couted in as judgement of his position and what do you have mate?

          it's pretty equal...
          "I have decided to escape, to defy the shogun. Today I will begin walking the road to hell. But you will choose your own path. So, soon you may be seeing heaven. Choose the sword, and you will join me. Choose the ball and you join your mother, in death. You don’t understand my words, but you must choose. So… come boy, choose life or death."

          "You would've been happier if you'd chosen to join your mother in her world. " - Ogami Itto

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            #6
            Originally posted by Red_Polo
            All stats aside....

            Whether he would've last season I don't know but I do believe that he would do in general.
            It is interesting that Rafa's main argument about Stevie has very little substance! "Look at Gerrard scoring 23 from RM last season" - yeah right - lets take a look :whatever:


            We were somewhere around Barstow on the edge of the desert when the drugs began to take hold.

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              #7
              Originally posted by CAD
              PPS: In your face Shaggy
              Did you sit there researching all this? That's just saaaaaaaaaaaaaad!
              Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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                #8
                Originally posted by CAD
                It is interesting that Rafa's main argument about Stevie has very little substance! "Look at Gerrard scoring 23 from RM last season" - yeah right - lets take a look :whatever:
                I bet most of them goals he scored from Central midfield, were also playing in the hole playing ahead of Alonso and sissoko too.
                Bill shankly to Tommy Smith after he'd turned up for training with a bandaged knee:
                'Take that poof bandage off, and what do you mean YOUR knee, it's LIVERPOOL'S knee !'

                "Sorry, boss, I should have kept my legs together," said Lawrence. "No, Tommy, your mother should have kept her legs together!," replied Shankly.

                * After Tommy Lawrence had let in a fluke goal between his legs

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                  #9
                  Surely you don't believe that what Rafa says to shut people up in interviews is his full reasoning?
                  "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
                  -- William Blake

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by CAD
                    It is interesting that Rafa's main argument about Stevie has very little substance! "Look at Gerrard scoring 23 from RM last season" - yeah right - lets take a look :whatever:
                    I'm not sure your simplistic analysis holds much water tbh. I don't think it's something that can be proved like that. Nobody can deny SG can be a brilliant player in either position. I just think Gerrard should ideally be in the middle because he does most damage from central positions.
                    Like blood on iron

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                      #11
                      The 'RM 23 Gerrard goals' is one of the most repeated falsums on all LFC foras, only eclipsed by the 'Cisse scored 19 as a winger' story. This is not about 'proving' anything but about refuting horse**** when you come across it. This is surely the case.

                      Obviously there is more to the whole debacle than just goals. I just think that Rafa's constant yapping about Gerrard scoring 23 goals last season from the RM position wears a little thin in this light?! Surely you agree Red Polo?


                      We were somewhere around Barstow on the edge of the desert when the drugs began to take hold.

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                        #12
                        I agree it's more complicated than most people think when they lazily come out with these stats, and you're right, they do become gospel after a while and go unquestioned. So from that point of view, fair play.
                        Like blood on iron

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by CAD
                          The 'RM 23 Gerrard goals' is one of the most repeated falsums on all LFC foras, only eclipsed by the 'Cisse scored 19 as a winger' story. This is not about 'proving' anything but about refuting horse**** when you come across it. This is surely the case.

                          Obviously there is more to the whole debacle than just goals. I just think that Rafa's constant yapping about Gerrard scoring 23 goals last season from the RM position wears a little thin in this light?! Surely you agree Red Polo?
                          Thing is if you want to do this properly, then why not watch a clip of each goal he scored to verify where each came from, then it might give some credence to your stats, which prove little, except that he scores goals from both positions.
                          Thomas Hicks Senior

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by CAD
                            Here are the stats concerning the much talked about Gerrard goals.

                            TNS - 5 goals - CM
                            Kaunas - 2 goals - CM
                            Chelsea(a) - 1 goal - RM
                            Palace(a) 1 goal - CM
                            Villa (a) 1 goal - RM
                            Sunderland(a) 1 goal - RM
                            Saprissa(WCC) 1 goal - RM
                            Newcastle(h) 1 goal - CM
                            Everton(a) 1 goal - RM
                            Bolton(a) 1 goal - RM
                            Luton(a) 1 gol - RM
                            Pompey(a) 1 goal - RM
                            Brum(h) 1 goal - CM
                            Newcastle(a) 1 goal - CM
                            Villa(h) 2 goals - CM
                            West Ham(FA Cup Final) 2 goals (1 from RM the winner as a CM)

                            Playing as a RM - 9 goals
                            Playing as a CM -14 goals

                            The problem is that Gerrard could easily have scored more from CM. The following games are not revised yet. There could have been substitutions which have resulted in Gerrard actually playing a CM, at the time he scored.

                            Chelsea(a) - 1 goal - RM
                            Villa (a) 1 goal - RM
                            Sunderland(a) 1 goal - RM
                            Saprissa(WCC) 1 goal - RM
                            Everton(a) 1 goal - RM
                            Bolton(a) 1 goal - RM
                            Luton(a) 1 goal - RM
                            Pompey(a) 1 goal - RM (Wasn't Cisse playing RW in that game?)
                            West Ham (Final) 1 - RM (Confirmed RM).


                            PS: Diego, this is not to piss you off. It's only a extra bonus
                            PPS: In your face Shaggy
                            So he scores from RM, scores from CM and scored loads against two woeful teams we'll in qualifying rounds we'll never play in again. Wow. Cheers for that.

                            I knew all this after the FA Cup Final.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by CAD
                              Obviously there is more to the whole debacle than just goals. I just think that Rafa's constant yapping about Gerrard scoring 23 goals last season from the RM position wears a little thin in this light?! Surely you agree Red Polo?
                              Thats horse****. THat was Gerrards best return for a season while at Liverpool, which also was out best run in the league since we last won the league. Wears thin my arse. This he scored such and such from a central midfield position last season is also crap as he would have been in the whole infront of sissoko and Alonso and not in the defensive midfield poition, which some people think he should be played in because thats Rafas system. Id much rather see Gerrard as an attacking midfielder than a defensive one.
                              Bill shankly to Tommy Smith after he'd turned up for training with a bandaged knee:
                              'Take that poof bandage off, and what do you mean YOUR knee, it's LIVERPOOL'S knee !'

                              "Sorry, boss, I should have kept my legs together," said Lawrence. "No, Tommy, your mother should have kept her legs together!," replied Shankly.

                              * After Tommy Lawrence had let in a fluke goal between his legs

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