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    #16
    Originally posted by DannyMan2006 View Post
    That is true in fairness. But I'd hardly want people connected with the club talking ****e and dragging down morale.

    My biggest problem under Rafa's reign was the amount of ex-pros always taking a dig (of which Kenny was not amongst). It didn't exactly help so I'll be delighted if they all keep their mouths shut.
    Kenny did mention that he believed we could be challenging for the league this season, that's what I was referring to.

    The thing is, with ex-players, some of them are too limited intellectually (they can't talk outside their realm of expertise). What did it serve, them having a go at Benitez when the problems weren't sporting ones? Hansen is guilty of doing the same thing.
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      #17
      Originally posted by NigelLG View Post
      Kenny did mention that he believed we could be challenging for the league this season, that's what I was referring to.

      The thing is, with ex-players, some of them are too limited intellectually (they can't talk outside their realm of expertise). What did it serve, them having a go at Benitez when the problems weren't sporting ones? Hansen is guilty of doing the same thing.
      Fair play then. I didn't see a title challenge myself.

      And ex-pros having a dig serves nothing. But I guess they get paid so will carry on moaning
      Forwards.......

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        #18
        Originally posted by Arn View Post
        The BIG and more or less only reason to why we are not challenging any more is because of money, the lack of it.

        Nothing more, nothing less. Nothing to do with the manager or players. We simply can't compete anymore because every manager need to weaken the team first and then hope that the signings will deliver straight away or else the team will be weaker for at least a few months time.

        Nothing to do with Rafa or Roy.

        Gillett and Hicks is the only reason that we can't challenge anymore. It's as simple as that.
        Forwards.......

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          #19
          I doubt very much that players like Konchesky and Poulsen would have been signed if Roy would have had more money to spend.

          I doubt very much that Rafa would have signed Aquilani or Babel for example if he would have had more options(more money).

          I hope that our manager one day will be allowed to build his team and sign the players he want, his first choice players.
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            #20
            Originally posted by Dalglish View Post
            Over £2m of which were wasted on a keeper you mean? With an additional £3m or so being wasted on an ageing left back?

            Those funds?
            Not my choices. Diego supposedly wanted to leave and he needs reoplacing. If Reina gets injured then what we would have done had we not signed someone?
            Forwards.......

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              #21
              Originally posted by DannyMan2006 View Post
              Not my choices. Diego supposedly wanted to leave and he needs reoplacing. If Reina gets injured then what we would have done had we not signed someone?
              I agree tha Diego wanted to leave, of course. We have Gulacsi and Bouzanis in reserve both of who seem decent from my limited viewing of them. Both are home grown too so there was no need to worry about that quota business.

              Given Pepe's injury record (touches as much wood as he can) they copuld easily have backed him up. When we have as little money as we do the Jones deal was madness.
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                #22
                Originally posted by Dalglish View Post
                Over £2m of which were wasted on a keeper you mean? With an additional £3m or so being wasted on an ageing left back?

                Those funds?
                Aquilani

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by DannyMan2006 View Post
                  Not my choices. Diego supposedly wanted to leave and he needs reoplacing. If Reina gets injured then what we would have done had we not signed someone?
                  We have Gulacsi. A very good young keeper. He is probably at least as good as Jones.

                  Jones was a quota signing as I see it and not signed because he is better than Gulacsi.
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                    #24
                    Aye, crap is right. And it's very a typical of Hansen, ie. no backing for Benitez, even before his last season...but his full backing of the british Roy Hodgson.

                    The reason we have a poor squad, is because for 3 seasons we didn't invest enough in it...making a short term profit was more important than progression.

                    However, i'd say we have some very promising youngsters, something you never hear Rafa get any credit whatsoever for, infact the media will tell us the opposite..that we have noone in the youth system with any potential at all.

                    All very predictable now this sort of anti Rafa stuff form people like Hansen.
                    Last edited by Vermilion; 22-09-10, 10:53 AM.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Arn View Post
                      I doubt very much that players like Konchesky and Poulsen would have been signed if Roy would have had more money to spend.

                      I doubt very much that Rafa would have signed Aquilani or Babel for example if he would have had more options(more money).
                      I hope that our manager one day will be allowed to build his team and sign the players he want, his first choice players.
                      WTF? Those two cost over £30mill
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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Dalglish View Post
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                        Given Pepe's injury record (touches as much wood as he can) they copuld easily have backed him up. When we have as little money as we do the Jones deal was madness.
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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Torres View Post
                          Aquilani
                          Our manger whoever it is must be allowed to sign expensive players for the future that may not deliver straight away or else we won't be able to compete.

                          Some players need more time before they deliver. Man U for example can sign £15m+ players for the future and allow them the time they need or at least has been able to do that. Now it's £5m-£10m players.

                          Aquilani delivered at the end of last season. A hell of a lot quicker than Nani for example delivered for Man U.

                          I can say that a expensive signing is a failure if he hasn't delivered after two or three seasons, not after one. Henry needed six or seven months before he started to deliver for example.
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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Jack D Rips View Post
                            WTF? Those two cost over £30mill
                            Aquilani cost something like £5m or £6m and we got all the Xabi money upfront. The rest of Aquilani money will of course be paid in installments.

                            I think you know what happened to the rest of the money. That of course means that Rafa had around £5m-£6m to spend on a Xabi replacement, not £30m or something like that.

                            How money clubs would have agreed to sell a top class player and only get paid £5m-£6m and the rest later? How many top class players wanted to join us at that time? How many top class players was available with less than a month left before the window closed?
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                            from now on I will skip talking about our finances. That is a promise and will save myself from looking like a

                            Susan Black

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Arn View Post
                              Our manger whoever it is must be allowed to sign expensive players for the future that may not deliver straight away or else we won't be able to compete.

                              Some players need more time before they deliver. Man U for example can sign £15m+ players for the future and allow them the time they need or at least has been able to do that. Now it's £5m-£10m players.

                              Aquilani delivered at the end of last season. A hell of a lot quicker than Nani for example delivered for Man U.

                              I can say that a expensive signing is a failure if he hasn't delivered after two or three seasons, not after one. Henry needed six or seven months before he started to deliver for example.
                              Aquilani was purchased at 18m with a poor injury history and who at the time hadnt kicked a ball for 6 months or more. it was high risk and it backfired. I agree with the general consensus that we are in this position as we cannot afford the resources that others can, however, on this particular aquilani point, i found it pathetic that someone chooses to point fault at woy for spending 5m on 2 players, one of which is a big improvement on our previous left back, when rafa spent 18m on the longterm injured italian.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Torres View Post
                                i found it pathetic that someone chooses to point fault at Roy for spending 5m on 2 players, one of which is a big improvement on our previous left back
                                You (and others) keep stating this as though it is a fact. It's not. Many of us see no improvement at all. On the contrary.
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