Rafa - No Way Back?

[S-RED]

This 15 points clear thing is a myth, they had 2 (maybe) 3 games in hand on us, so assuming they win them (which they did) thats a 6/9 point gap in November; christ the season is only 3 months gone.

[Mostar]

Welcome back anytime.

Would absolutely love to see him back with proper owners at the club.

Compared to what we have now I would welcome him with open hands.

He definitely made some mistakes during his tenure but he is also one of the best managers out there no questions asked. I always respected him not only for his football intelligence but also for his undivided and true affection for our club. His generous donation to Hillsborough Fund, after he was sacked, was a small example of the classy man he is..

Do you think Roy could have got us into that position in the first place? I don't.

The answer is in the question.

[dom9]

He definitely made some mistakes during his tenure but he is also one of the best managers out there no questions asked. I always respected him not only for his football intelligence but also for his undivided and true affection for our club. His generous donation to Hillsborough Fund, after he was sacked, was a small example of the classy man he is..

Trouble is, I think Rafa tends to burn his bridges.

[Mostar]

I think in the context of our current regime you are correct but I could see him coming back with the new owners and the new board.

I personally would love to give him a second chance just to see Rafa and Fergies media face off. I missed that

[DannyMan2006]

This is fast becoming a stephen warnock situation. Warnock wasn't good enough when he was here and people were happy to see him go. A few said give him time to shine, but most were happy to see him leave. Fast forward a bit, and so poor are his replacements that we now look at Warnock and realise getting rid may not have been such a great idea. Especially as he's a better left back than the current first choice we have.

For Warnock, think Rafa. And it's the same thing. People are only bothered because we have a lesser manager in. We do not need Rafa back, who had his shot. We need another top manager in, such as Hiddink or Mourinho, etc.

No chance of getting either in the summer just gone, but we get new owners with bags of cash and we will be attracting the best managers around once again.

[danperkins]

Firstly i wouldn't want Rafa anywhere near the club again, he had his chance and failed, he blew millions and didn't sign one decent player in his last 2 seasons and we have been left with Rafa's train wreck, are people forgetting this? Roy has come in to a club full of flops and players who want to leave the club, there are many factors to his and our bad start that must be taken into account but YES, so far he hasn't really done a great job, although he deserves time.

The calls for his head are embarrassing, shut up FFS and get behind the manager, people are waiting for every slip to have a go, even before he had his first game people were abusing him. If its still like this in few months then calls for his head will be legitimate, until then it literally is cringeworthy have some perspective FFS.

I wanted Kenny as many did but that didn't happen, i accepted Roy as our manager as he was pretty much the best option we could have got, who else wanted the poxy job? Its a poison chalice, there was no manager going to come in and make a miracle recovery with no money and several ****e players from the Rafa era. It takes time to clean house and get the team playing, the backlash from certain LFC fans is an absolute disgrace at this point in the season and with what has gone on.

If, and thats a big if Roy hasn't cut the mustard within next few months are we are still faltering IMO Kenny is the man who should jump in, losing to Northampton was ****ing embarrassing, but there are several results before Roy ever came near LFC that i have been equally embarrassed about.

Roy has admitted he made a mistake which Rafa never did no matter what cock up he made, Roy knows he ****ed up and in all fairness is there any LFC fan out there that looked at our team last night and thought we're going lose this? Not a hope, the players are the ones who are to blame, they should be ashamed of themselves but sure Roy is the man ultimately responsible as he is the manager.

I think last night was the final chapter in certain players LFC career, Spearing,Babel,Kyriagkos,Lucas etc we're diabolical against a woeful side, Agger for all his press speak has been shocking for quite some time now and would be best served shutting up and concentrating on his performances.

So we are out of the Carling Cup, pisses me off no doubts as it was a genuine chance to get silverware, Roy is under pressure and the team is under performing, that will literally have to stop come the next game, we've talked about the next 5 games and how crucial they are, lets see we're we stand after them and by then we should get a good idea of how we stand in the league as regards making a champs league challenge.

[Fredo]

This is fast becoming a stephen warnock situation. Warnock wasn't good enough when he was here and people were happy to see him go. A few said give him time to shine, but most were happy to see him leave. Fast forward a bit, and so poor are his replacements that we now look at Warnock and realise getting rid may not have been such a great idea. Especially as he's a better left back than the current first choice we have.

For Warnock, think Rafa. And it's the same thing. People are only bothered because we have a lesser manager in. We do not need Rafa back, who had his shot. We need another top manager in, such as Hiddink or Mourinho, etc.

No chance of getting either in the summer just gone, but we get new owners with bags of cash and we will be attracting the best managers around once again.

I don't really like the tone of your posts mate, it's condescending and a bit arrogant. People are free to have their views, pro-Rafa or not, no need to be provocative about it.

[dww]

Inevitably, there are lot's calls for Roy to go, and many want Rafa back.

Trouble is, I don't think that's feasible, for many reasons, not least because I am convinced he lost the dressing room last season.

I know that he had a lot on his plate with regard to battling with the board, and not having money to spend, but some of the performances last season were abject, and had the look of a team that did not want to play for their manager. I can't see him being welcomed back by the players, let alone the board.

Controversial view, possibly, but I can't see a way back.

I'm not convinced by the argument and the lessons of the end at Valencia were that players might find him hard to work under but they miss him when he has gone. I think there are some players for which his style wouldn't work but assuming the current board were gone then I think we would have greater freedom to change them.

Also does it look any different on the pitch this season t the supposed signs of Rafa having lost the dressing room last season? I'd say not - yet at the beginning of the season all the players were happily bleating about the joyous change in the dressing room.

Rafa wont be back while we have the current owners but after that I hope he will and see no reason for him not to return.

[Exiled_red]

As much as Roy has had a difficult time and undoubtedly made mistakes, but I don't think we should looking to get rid of him yet.

As for Rafa, I'd like to see him back one day (when we have new owners), but that would depend on the situations being right for both us and him at the same time, which is probably quite unlikely.

[Mattshark]

Right, Danperkins is opposed to the idea, that is the best indication around that it would be the right thing to do.

[danperkins]

Right, Danperkins is opposed to the idea, that is the best indication around that it would be the right thing to do.

Knee Jerk, your embarrasing

[Mattshark]

Knee Jerk

No, it is mockery

[red g]

I'm not convinced by the argument and the lessons of the end at Valencia were that players might find him hard to work under but they miss him when he has gone. I think there are some players for which his style wouldn't work but assuming the current board were gone then I think we would have greater freedom to change them.

Also does it look any different on the pitch this season t the supposed signs of Rafa having lost the dressing room last season? I'd say not - yet at the beginning of the season all the players were happily bleating about the joyous change in the dressing room.

Rafa wont be back while we have the current owners but after that I hope he will and see no reason for him not to return.

I think thats more down to Roy's failure to glavanise them. Its clear imo Rafa lost support of key men last year......and from what i have seen this year, while the initial reaction was good our players have reverted to type.

Roy said the feel good factor was coming back a few games ago and the doom had been lifted bearing in mind a major factor is the owners this was a silly thing to say, unless he could get the players to rise above the **** of the pitch in a way i am sure Mourinho could.

this isnt happening

[danperkins]

No, it is mockery

Yup mate, it is a mockery whe you want the manager out after 5 league game alright, well done sir good stuff outta you

[danperkins]

What exactly where people expecting from Hodgson as a matter of interest,a ****ing miracle? No money,left with several ****e players, no time with team after World Cup,Late transfer,COle getting Suspended for 3 games,Masch doing a Houdini before a massive game, poxy start to league, Carling Cup comes and he plays the youngsters in which everyone on here was calling for and were delighted with, we lose!!! ...... and people now want him sacke,WTF? Does anybody actually think that maybe many of the players that were there when Hodgson came into LFC, just aren't good enough? And that it actually takes time to build a squad?

Hodsgon offloaded as many as he could, he wanted to get rid of Babel,Kriagkos and Lucas to but ran out of time in the transfer window. I will completely be with the "Sack Roy" brigade if in few months time we are still playing ****e but some perpsective for what has gone on is well needed and not extreme knee jerking. Seems to me its the bitter pro rafa boys who are instigating this witch hunt, very unfair at this juncture.