Liverpool vs Sunderland post match

[BobTheCharmer]

To be honest that's exactly how I thought we set up last season.

every season for the past 10.

[Havors]

haha i was refering to his managerial style not him as a person just thought id clear that up

[cream]

He's taking this 'lowering expectations' lark a tad too far. Roy, we are still Liverpool football club, we still have standards, we still have expectations and we ****ing well weren't a relagation side before you joined us. Get it into your thick ****ing head.

[Fierce]

So without just proclaiming the manager to be ****, what do we actually think was wrong?

For me, the most glaringly obvious mistake was the formation for much of it

I'm aware that I don't know even a fraction of what Roy does with regards the game, so this is perhaps a silly thing to say but I can't fathom why the ****ing hell we set up like that. Just bizarre. Those players are made for the 4-5-1 we played last season. That worries me a little.

I don't like what I'm seeing so far. I didn't ever want Hodgson, but he's here and I personally think it's too early to call for his head. I just don't want it ever to get to the stage whereby its risky to keep getting these results

[Chazza]

So it must be better then if Etuhu says so and Fulham are flying aren't they? I know they are above us (by a massive 2pts) and haven't lost yet but then again they have won as many games as us, 1!



To be honest that's exactly how I thought we set up last season.

So whats the point in changing it then if its the same?

[Helios Creed]

It hurts to admit it but I always considered this season to be a total write off. Anything(our current form) that suggests a riskier situation for RBS and further discourages them from re-financing is fine by me. Short term pain - long term gain as far as I'm concerned.

I did put forward the theory that the board/mgmt are deliberately devaluing the club and also ensuring that it is sold, to a buyer that they already have lined up and who will not buy at G&H's ridiculous valuation.

Far fetched, but it does offer some consolation..

[Lecter]

Not an lfc manager. Needs to go as soon as we get new owners in, which better be pretty soon. Hate saying it so soon , but he needs to go.

Can not be dominated possession wise by safc.

He needs to go NOW

Lads out of his depth

[Chazza]

So without just proclaiming the manager to be ****, what do we actually think was wrong?

For me, the most glaringly obvious mistake was the formation for much of it

I'm aware that I don't know even a fraction of what Roy does with regards the game, so this is perhaps a silly thing to say but I can't fathom why the ****ing hell we set up like that. Just bizarre. Those players are made for the 4-5-1 we played last season. That worries me a little.

I don't like what I'm seeing so far. I didn't ever want Hodgson, but he's here and I personally think it's too early to call for his head. I just don't want it ever to get to the stage whereby its risky to keep getting these results

Few things for me

Formation - Not many teams set up 442 now on a regular basis, probably only spurs who have the wide players which suit it. Torres has tended to play better with someone just off him rather than up with him

Tempo - We dont move the ball quick enough to drag the opposition out of position

Closing Down - We used to press high up the pitch now we retreat and let the opposition defence have the ball passing it into the midfield under little or no pressure

Marking and defending crosses - Just all over the place, bring back zonal

[badpiggy]

And be replaced by who? Kenny? His appointment would be a way bigger risk than leaving to Roy to somehow get some sort of handle on us. O'Neill? Would probably piss of more people than Roy and is a big chance anyway. Hiddinck?

[alunevans]

"We thoroughly deserved our point and I'm very pleased to end what's been a bad week, on a high."

"I'm very pleased to end what's been a bad week, on a high."

"I'm very pleased, on a high."

"pleased"

What. The. ****.

Please tell me never actually said that

[SimonNo7]

So whats the point in changing it then if its the same?

The point in changing, IMO, was the hope that a new manager might have just got this lot to play as a team because it seemed like they didn't want to play as a team or for Rafa.

[Shaggy]

[peekay]

When Rafa left Valencia some part of the squad and members of the board celebrated because they felt that Rafa's cold business like approach and "ugly" tactics was actually limiting the potential of the squad. They believed that a more hand on shoulders approach would be better for them. Three months later they realized that Rafa's tactics where helping them punch above their weight.

I think we are slowly getting into that phase now.

[Chazza]

The point in changing, IMO, was the hope that a new manager might have just got this lot to play as a team because it seemed like they didn't want to play as a team or for Rafa.

Fair enough, and hopefully he can but the early signs dont look good

[Fredo]

I'm not happy in the performances, fair from it. I saw signs that we were improving in parts.

Did you really see hints of improvement? I think you might be the only one who is seeing signs that we're improving.

All that I've seen is Hodgson's pathetic 4-4-2 formation and players running around like headless chickens all game.