Pack your bags Roy

[danperkins]

Cheers for that dan, much appreciated. I didnt actually say 'always' though, so it's a bit unnecessary. Think Real & Man City are prime examples that money doesn't buy you success, with right manager and signings money can most certainly help thats for sure, but spending it on the next best thing doesn't always work.

Using the examples of Mess/Xavi/Iniesta is hilarious btw. They were all nobodies when they were acquired. I'm not talking about acquiring no-mark kids and hoping they become the world's best 10 years later.

And nobody said 'it is about the most expensive players', i said the best players cost a lot. Not when they were kids and nobody knew them, i mean when they're established as the world's best.

This XI are among the best in the world in their positions at the moment - you could argue about some of them perhaps, but that isnt the point. How much do you think they'd cost to buy? I imagine it'd be a ****ing ****load.

Reina
Maicon
Coentrao
Vidic
Pique
Mascherano
Xavi
Iniesta
Bale
Messi
Ronaldo
Villa
Torres

Of couse they would now, but doesn't necessary make them the best team either. Its about buying players that a right for the team.

And Messi was not a nobody mate, Barca grabbed him at "11" as they were aware of his talent and paid for treatment, think he had growth problems etc thats my point a good scout or a good eye for a player that will fit into the team or be good in the team is much better than just blowig a shed load of cash on the flavour of the month.

And the fact that Xavi/Messi/Iniesta/Pedro/Cesc/Reina all in top players in the world came from Barca academy is not a coincidence and proves that good coaching and a good eye for players is much more productive than spending massive money, sure how much did they spend on Ibhrahimo****, he done well! School boy error.

Anyways the point i was making was that great talent doesn't always cost money, you mentioned list of quality players above and you are right "now" they would cost a fortune, but originally they didn't. Whats to say we can't find the next best thing? Lets hope Comelli can find a few diamonds for us, think thats what NESV seem to be focusing in on, and i for one like it.

[Lecter]

The most expensive players aren't always the best players, its about buying the right players and the best deals.

Evra
Agger
Vidic
Ozil
Sneijder
Van Der Vart
Vermalen
Richard Dunne
Arteta
Ivanovic
Bale
Ronaldo
Higuin
Forlan
etc

Messi/Xavi/Iniesta three of the best players on the planet cost nothing. Real Madrid go out and spend 300 million and win nothing, including 80 million on Ronaldo and sure a 13 million player in Higuin is their star man last season, go figure!!. Now Mourinho comes in makes some shrewd aquisitions like Ozil/Kheidra/Caravalho, and only spends big on Di Maria and Real look a completely different animal. Not about the most expensive players, its about the right players for the club.

Richard Dunne

[Shaggy]

I take all stats with a pinch of salt, if you ever listened to Houlliers stats we were the best team in the world.

Insua was a diabolical defender and thats what his job was.

So is Konchesky. Difference is Insua contributed greatly going forward. Konchesky does jack ****. And this wonderful trade off cost us £5m!

[danperkins]

Richard Dunne

Has been a superb signing for Villa ate for 5 million, phenomenal last season, talisman for them, you disagree mate?

[Shaggy]

Richard Dunne

I was gonna say

He probably thinks Shay Given is the best around and LFC should sign Kevin Doyle. Gotta love the Irish

£5m Dunne is on his little list, and £6m Reina isn't.

[danperkins]

Insua and Konchesky are both ****e and a not LFC standard.

P.S. Opta stat, Insua was the smallest player in the premier league, just thought i'd share that.

[Craig_H]

You could buy the whole lot if you are looking for a quick fix to win things, they said they'll be patient and build things as they go around. You can half the lot you mentioned when they were young and develop them properly and buy the half in parts over 3 yrs and still put up a winning team, which is what they want to do.

And it would be really unfair of us to expect them to spend 100m at a single go just to satisfy the fans quickly.

Also, you can buy the whole team that you mentioned, today, and 5 yrs down the line, half of them will be looking at retirement. What do you do then? Go out and buy another half a dozen players for crazy money?

DD, you need to actually pinpoint what i say mate.

I didnt say go out and spend £100m, i didnt say go out and buy all those players and i didnt say go and buy a team who will be retiring in 5 years.

I'm posting EXAMPLES mate.

[Shaggy]

Insua and Konchesky are both ****e and a not LFC standard.

P.S. Opta stat, Insua was the smallest player in the premier league, just thought i'd share that.

Was he ****

[kemm1]

I'm not missing your point, but you back it up with we 'nearly' won the league - whatever the ins and outs of it, the fact is we didnt win it.

When did I say that?

Arsenal's youth/stingy spending approach doesnt win it. Chelsea overpaid for most of their players, they win the title. United spent £90m on 3 of their key players, they win the league.

As i've said, i'm going on the evidence that's available, and it seems to back up what i'm saying.

The best players out there are nearly always overpriced - they're in high demand and wherever there's high demand, prices will soar. Why would a selling club sell a top class player for 'what he is worth' when there's likely to be an auction or premium which sends the price sky-high?

As I said Wenger hasn't taken that final step in going after a player like Eto'o when he was in the verge of leaving Barca to complete his squad. Eto'o would have been the perfect experienced player to complement his younger players to push for the League title.

As i said before, Ronaldo wasnt worth £80m, but that's the premium you have to pay. It's always been the case, with rare exceptions, the world's best players cost big money.

Irrelevant point, you're taking about Real Madrid here and they had a squad with players such as Sniejder and Van der Vaart who are good enough to win major trophies.

[danperkins]

I was gonna say

He probably thinks Shay Given is the best around and LFC should sign Kevin Doyle. Gotta love the Irish

£5m Dunne is on his little list, and £6m Reina isn't.

here we go classic Shaggy, we were talking about getting great deals, and players that are right for the club.

Let me put it to ya this way:

Poulsen: 4.5 million
Konchesky: 5 million
Richard Dunne: 5 million

Now what do you think

[Craig_H]

Of couse they would now, but doesn't necessary make them the best team either. Its about buying players that a right for the team.

And Messi was not a nobody mate, Barca grabbed him at "11" as they were aware of his talent and paid for treatment, think he had growth problems etc thats my point a good scout or a good eye for a player that will fit into the team or be good in the team is much better than just blowig a shed load of cash on the flavour of the month.

And the fact that Xavi/Messi/Iniesta/Pedro/Cesc/Reina all in top players in the world came from Barca academy is not a coincidence and proves that good coaching and a good eye for players is much more productive than spending massive money, sure how much did they spend on Ibhrahimo****, he done well! School boy error.

Anyways the point i was making was that great talent doesn't always cost money, you mentioned list of quality players above and you are right "now" they would cost a fortune, but originally they didn't. Whats to say we can't find the next best thing? Lets hope Comelli can find a few diamonds for us, think thats what NESV seem to be focusing in on, and i for one like it.

Messi was a nobody, an 11 year old kid who nobody could've known whether he'd make it or not. Unless you're going to claim everyone knew about him at 11. Which would be daft.

Of course it's great to pick out these world beaters at 11 and get them for nothing. If it was that easy, everyone would be doing it.

Anyways the point i was making was that great talent doesn't always cost money, you mentioned list of quality players above and you are right "now" they would cost a fortune, but originally they didn't.

You're doing it again dan. Where did i use the word 'always' ? Clearly, i didnt.

And yes, those players would cost ****loads NOW because NOW is when they are top class established players. Of course you can go and buy a load of 16 year olds and hope they become Messi, but how easy do you think that is?

Why hasnt it worked for us before? Or for most other teams? Because it's nigh on impossible.

[danperkins]

Was he ****

yup with Aaron Lennon and Adam Reed. Insua was a midget.

[Shaggy]

here we go classic Shaggy, we were talking about getting great deals, and players that are right for the club.

Let me put it to ya this way:

Poulsen: 4.5 million
Konchesky: 5 million
Richard Dunne: 5 million

Now what do you think

I think the first two are ****ing atrocious - both signings you backed at the time and have now epically u-turned - and Dunne is wildly overrated, usually by Irishmen.

But he was a better buy than Poulsen and Konchesky, I'll give you that.

[kemm1]

Agreed. Buying an older player who will complete the jigsaw is fine as they can win trophies, which is worth money, which in turn makes them value for money.

And there is nothing wrong with building a young team. The Arsenal problem is that they have sold their better young players when they become top class, meaning other clubs get the benefit of their progress.

A competitive club long term needs a healthy turnover of players, with young replacing the old. I've seen many a successfull team just age and burn out with the manager making no plans for the future and instead moving on and letting another manager take the fall.

For Liverpool to be a long term success they need long term planning. As for £80m on a single player, I think the FIFA fair play rules will put paid to that pretty damn soon. The days of the billionaires taking a club to the next level are almost at an end.

Agreed and Hodgson must go.

[destinydude]

I was gonna say

He probably thinks Shay Given is the best around and LFC should sign Kevin Doyle. Gotta love the Irish

£5m Dunne is on his little list, and £6m Reina isn't.

If you look closely, I removed Dunne from my list when I quoted LDP's post