Pack your bags Roy

[danperkins]

what a horrible thread this is

Don't get me wrong i'm no Hodgson fan but I think it would do everyone a favour if we put this thread to sleep

its a pretty pathetic thread alright.

[danperkins]

I will give Roy credit when it his tactic that win us games and not some fantastic moments from our players.

Roy used the same old tactic. The difference now is that Torres are more match fit and scored a couple of crackers.

As many already pointed out. We are now back to playing Houllier tactics when we need fantastic moments from our star players to get out of jail.

If you give Roy **** when we lose, you should have the class to give him credit when we win, like many of us have done. Bit of balance please.

[danperkins]

No, I'm talking about over the past few years against the likes of Arsenal, Man Utd and Chelsea.

I'm not debating that we've not been **** in those games you listed. Not for a second. What I'm saying is that possession stats can be pretty meaningless when all's said and done.

The overall possession stats don't take into account the areas of the pitch where the game was played. As I said earlier, towards the beginning of the match, Chelsea were playing keep-ball in their own half, but the possession stat still showed them at 40-60. If we were 0-2 down, I'm sure the possession stats would have been far closer.

, its not about possession, its about possession in the right areas and what you do with it.

[Lecter]

If you give Roy **** when we lose, you should have the class to give him credit when we win, like many of us have done. Bit of balance please.

The same could also apply to our manager who refused to take ANY responsibility for our poor results

[Lecter]

, its not about possession, its about possession in the right areas and what you do with it.

Hmmmmm

Not sure that is the case

If you have more possession the less likelihood there is of you being hurt by the opposition

In general our possession under Roy has been poor because I do not believe its in his nature for his teams to want the ball

He prefers counter-attacking football sucking teams in and trying to hit them on the break hes very very much in the Houllier mould in that regards

[Nate7]

If you give Roy **** when we lose, you should have the class to give him credit when we win, like many of us have done. Bit of balance please.

True

The same could also apply to our manager who refused to take ANY responsibility for our poor results

Also true

[danperkins]

The same could also apply to our manager who refused to take ANY responsibility for our poor results

Sure neither did Rafa. When have you ever heard a manager for a big club come out and say yeah its all my fault? I'm not gonna say Roy is long term but he has got some **** storm of abuse from many on here, its ****ing embarrassing.

He has won 4 on the bounce and although not my favorite choice as LFC manager, i am more than happy to give him some credit. For the moment fair play to the man, people need to chill out on the abuse to, its cringeworthy and bit pathetic at this stage. I'm fine with criticism but seriously the some of the stuff on here is just not right, it really isn't.

[rudedog]

Rafa's tactics were to stifle the opposition high up the pitch and turn it quickly

Roy is more content to play deeper and is more akin then to counter attacking / hitting on the break ala Houllier

Credit to Roy hes got the results but I'm still none too convinced his tactics are the way forward

Yes but Rafa's tactics don't work if you don't have the right players - this was Rafa's downfall - he played that system against the weaker sides without having enough creativity in the team to make that possessional advantage count.

It can also be argued you are at your most vulnerable the moments after losing possession - if you pressing high up the pitch, you are likely to be winning possession when the opposition still have a lot of men in their own half making it easy for them to defend. If you can turn possession closer to the middle, its more likely that the other team will be more vulnerable having committed more players forward.

[Lecter]

What like Rafa never did? When have you ever heard a manager for a big club come out and say yeah its all my fault? I'm not gonna say Roy is long term but he has got some **** storm of abuse from many on here, its ****ing embarrassing.

He has won 4 on the bounce and although not my favorite choice as LFC manager, i am more than happy to give him some credit. For the moment fair play to the man, people need to chill out on the abuse to, its cringeworthy and bit pathetic at this stage. I'm fine with criticism but seriously the stuff on here is just not right.

****ing behave yourself

When did Rafa come out and blame the previous manager??

When did Rafa come out and blame the players??

What a total ****ing load of bollocks you spout on a frequent basis

[danperkins]

Hmmmmm

Not sure that is the case

If you have more possession the less likelihood there is of you being hurt by the opposition

In general our possession under Roy has been poor because I do not believe its in his nature for his teams to want the ball

He prefers counter-attacking football sucking teams in and trying to hit them on the break hes very very much in the Houllier mould in that regards

What i mean when people read stats about possession they automatically assume. For example how many times have we seen Carra and Skrtel aimlessly pass the ball around our half, only to come to nothing (normally the inevitable hoof up the pitch giving away possession), terry & Alex did it yesterday too and we were happy enough to sit back and let them have it.

I couldn't give a ****e what our general possession is, once we are winning. Results are what matters, not performances or possession.

[kris90210]

The same could also apply to our manager who refused to take ANY responsibility for our poor results

Absolutely. And he's wrong for doing that as well

[Lecter]

Yes but Rafa's tactics don't work if you don't have the right players - this was Rafa's downfall - he played that system against the weaker sides without having enough creativity in the team to make that possessional advantage count.

It can also be argued you are at your most vulnerable the moments after losing possession - if you pressing high up the pitch, you are likely to be winning possession when the opposition still have a lot of men in their own half making it easy for them to defend. If you can turn possession closer to the middle, its more likely that the other team will be more vulnerable having committed more players forward.

Correct me if I'm wrong but we tried the Houllier method previously it didnt work

Yet our highest ever points total in the Premiership was achieved under which manager??

The Houllier system is equally as easy to counter-act just look at seasons prior to Rafa's appointment

I prefer the Rafa method over our play being stretched always have, because thats the same method the LFC sides of the 70's & 80's employed we were renowned for playing short football in a compressed space

It worked then no reason it shouldnt work again the key is getting quality players in attacking positions so when you win possession they can utilise it

[danperkins]

****ing behave yourself

When did Rafa come out and blame the previous manager??

When did Rafa come out and blame the players??

What a total ****ing load of bollocks you spout on a frequent basis

Give it a rest FFS, all the abuse thrown out on here is embarrassing to read, he is still the LFC manager regardless if he is wanted here, show some ****ing iota of respect and class.

If anyone had said anything even remotely like what has been said to Roy about Rafa, people would have throw a ****ing mickey fit on here. Different rules when it suits. The sheer cheek of you condescending idiot, be quiet. I'm not having that ****e, grow up.

[Fredo]

Results are what matters, not performances or possession.

Results matter but it would be wrong to think that performances and possession don't help in getting them - it's absurd to think that it doesn't matter!

[danperkins]

Results matter but it would be wrong to think that performances and possession don't help in getting them - it's absurd to think that it doesn't matter!

If a team plays ****e but they win i.e. United what counts at the end of the day? The result, and in the end the outcome is the only thing that matters.

You don't always have to play well or keep possession to win games, obviously you can't do this all of the time, that would be silly to say but when all is said and done the result is the most important thing.