Pack your bags Roy

[merlboo]

You clearly are unaware of the irony in your post

Ok, I'll be a bit clearer then. By getting knocked out of the European Cup, FA Cup etc and our league position last year Rafa gave the board justified (for the sake of this one argument, not a broad discussion based on prior performance) means to seek his dismissal. Had he finished 4th that wouldn't have existed. It's easier to get rid of someone and to take dissenting opinions on board when performances aren't there to refute that.

So, just to be clear, what I said was regardless of how big your balls are if performances aren't there then you leave yourself open to arrack from others. That's what happened to Rafa. And that was my point. Had we finished 4th there is no way on earth the board could have got rid. We finished 7th so they felt they could get away with it.

I had to stop at ''justified''

If you could bullet point those reasons then i'm all ears

The Media in the main appointed the ''Englishman'' with a future king to the throne agenda (England Job)

A sizeable portion of our support swallowed it hook .line .sinker

We're reaping what we've sowed

The irony for me is our Europeen Cup winning manager went to the current Europeen Champions

We got someone who'd got to one UEFA Cup Final in 35 years and presided over a team who scored 39 league goals in two seasons

There's your irony (unfortunately) right there

Thanks Christian

[wavydavy]

told the fans to **** off.

**** me! No way back from that if true. Don't care how many games you've played.

[murder_inc]

For some reason after the 2008/2009 season this is exactly what we have had, under both Rafa and Roy

It's almost as if this group of players thought, 'Well that's as good as it gets, we'll never do it¡'

It's as if they just lost all belief after that so close season.

Time to take a massive decision and embark on a proper rebuilding programme.

Start by getting rid of Roy, bring in a new man with new ideas, English or foreign, I don't care where he's from.

Then let him rebuild the squad using Reina, Agger, Gerrard and Torres as a spine. Possibly retain some of the rest of the 1st team squad as back up to the actual 1st team but any reasonable offers for any of them we should except to aid with the rebuilding.

Get new players in who didn't get so close yet so far in 2008/2009 and who weren't around when all the **** with H&G was going on.

New manager, new ideas, new squad, new atmosphere, new morale.

Spot on mate. Nothing wrong with the spine of the team. As good as any in Europe IMO.

[red g]

Sacking Rafa was right, Appointing Roy was wrong. We just got the wrong man in. NESV are going to come under increasing pressure to get rid of Roy, i don't think these guys bought into a business to watch it go down the ****ter.

I trust that they will make the right decision, hopefully sooner rather than later, but i feel they came in,are learning the game and they way things work, and obviously they don't want to make any rash decisions. So they have giving Roy a period of time to prove himself. It'll come to a head soon enough if this epic nightmare carries on, surely they have to draw a line under it soon.

I wouldn't be surprised if Roy got up until January, and then his future will be assessed. I would 100% not trust Roy with our transfer budget, the players we buy and sell are literally going to have to be 100% spot on, and you'll have to forgive me for feeling a little concerned with Roy's strike rate thus far at the club.

Roy is a nice man and the good manager at a certain level, but IMO he completely underestimated the LFC job, i think he jumped at the chance without thinking about the situation the club was in and the stress the fans were under, and what it takes to command the position of a Liverpool F.C. manager.

He is clearly a man under immense pressure and from day 1 each press conference has deteriorated, i do think everything he says is over analyzed on here, Roy could be talking about cardboard and people woul still find a way to twist it around but he really has said some stupid ****, that have lacked the class and integrity that should come with A LFC managers position.

My question is, what is it going to take for NESV to sack Roy Hodgson? I can't justify wanting my team to lose, EVER! But this winning a few, papering over cracks and then inevitably dropping points is not going to do the club any favours, IMO it just prolongs the inevitable.

I'd like to think NESV, and their team have a good idea of the general consensus of LFC supporters, i trust that they want what is best for the club and i'm sure that they will make the right decision in time, but seem to be giving Roy what they consider a fair crack of the whip under difficult circumstances, so i think we're gonna have to put up with Roy for just a little while longer.

If we lost On saturday against Weest ham i reckon he will be sacked. If not we then have Spurs away (loss) villa home( win) newcastle away( draw)

that would firmly put us in in mid table at christmas......and really think they wouldnt have any choice but to get rid.

[danperkins]

If we lost On saturday against Weest ham i reckon he will be sacked. If not we then have Spurs away (loss) villa home( win) newcastle away( draw)

that would firmly put us in in mid table at christmas......and really think they wouldnt have any choice but to get rid.

[red g]

**** me! No way back from that if true. Don't care how many games you've played.

to many people heard it/saw it for not to be true. Admittedly no-one i knwo but lads on RAWK etc.

[Leyton388]

According to elsewhere
WHEN THE TEAM WERE GOING DOWN THE TUNNEL THE FANS STARTING SINGING FOR KING KENNY AND CARRA CONFRONTED THEM AND SAID THEM "YER WAH??? ****ING PRICKS....!!!!"

He can **** off with Roy IMO. He was one of the players who rumour has it conspired to have Rafa sacked and Roy appointed. Future LFC manager my arse!

[SimonNo7]

Yes, that was sort of my point, that we did what you suggest last time..and look what happened.

Although, hopefully..this time, people who know about football will be making such decisions....when they arrive...

I know what you are saying but we haven't done quite what I'm suggesting.

What we did this time was bring in a new (old) man and just tinkered with the squad as it was thought to be good enough.

What I am actually saying is, strip the damn squad, get rid of the majority of them if possible, which in doing so gets rid of the possible mindset in those players from around 2008/2009, and rebuild around the four I mentioned.

[Chris]

One of the biggest pieces of scum ever connected with the club. Hopefully some mad fan runs on the pitch v West Ham and caves his face in.

[Lecter]

Comment from the Echo pages re Hodgson

This guy couldnt motivate a corpse to lie still

[Lecter]

Nicked from elsewhere

This is nicked from columnist E.Kvande at the norwegian site.


What happens at half time?

1-15.min : 3 goals - 15%
16-30.min: 3 goals - 15%
31-45.min: 3 goals - 15%
46-60.min: 7 goals - 35%
61-75.min: 1 goals - 5%
76-90.min: 2 goalsl - 10%
Ekstraomg: 1 goals - 5%


He's gone through the goals as well, but i'm at work and don't have time to translate the whole piece.

Found it interesting that 35% of goals against come in first quarter after the break.

[DannyMan2006]

What amazes me is that a man who has managed Inter Milan is shocked by the level of media attention and shocked how everything he says is over analysed. It's not like he's suddenly gone from conference football to the premier league.

If he doesn't know how to deal with the media now he never will.

[Kronenburg1892]

A good catalogue of Hodgkinson's media insights here from Tomkins...

http://tomkinstimes.com/2010/11/hodgson-putting-the-gaffe-in-gaffer/

http://www.liverpool...se-to-challenge

29 July 2010 – “It’s a massive step up.”

(Describing the challenge facing the squad he took to Macedonia. A squad that included Cavalieri, Soto, Skrtel, Agger, Aquilani, Lucas, Jovanovic and N’Gog.)

* * *

http://www.liverpool...t-need-overhaul

30 July 2010 – “I don’t think I’ve ever said the squad is in need of a major overhaul,” said the boss. “We need to add one or two players to the team.

“It is important we keep the nucleus from last season and a nucleus of players who are maybe just behind the first team.”

Contrast with:

http://www.liverpool...on-summer-deals

9 September 2010 – “We should be very happy [with summer dealings].” “We were unbelievably overstaffed when I came to the club and, if the truth be known, we still are overstaffed.” [Could mean fringe players here. But his own signings have only added to the deadwood.]

http://www.skysports...6473926,00.html

29 October 2010 – “There are a lot of things here that the club has got to get right. We have got a lot more expensive failures on our list than good players that we have brought in for next to nothing.”

and

http://www.telegraph...ot-be-sold.html

29 October 2010 – “I do not want to be taking people’s leftovers. We have got those type of players ourselves. If we are going to improve, we need better.”

http://www.liverpool...striker-regrets

10 September 2010 – “I preferred to put my weight behind David Ngog and Ryan Babel, who’s never really been given a proper chance at centre-forward at the club.” “We have Fernando Torres, we have good players who can play behind a lone striker.” “I will be using David Ngog and Ryan Babel in certain games to give Fernando Torres a rest and it’s up to them to prove to me that there’s no need to look further than them.” (Saying he didn’t regret not signing a striker in the summer.)

Contrast with:

http://www.goal.com/...s-in-january-as

31 October 2010 – “A club like Liverpool shouldn’t have to rely on non-specialists like Dirk Kuyt or Ryan Babel ‘doing a job’ up front when they are primarily wide players.”

“In training, I can’t have practice games where each team plays a 4-4-2 because I don’t have the front players to do that.”

* * *

http://www.liverpool...y-warns-hodgson

25 August 2010 – “I thought for long periods of the game it was fairly even and both teams passed the ball fairly well in the middle of the park. But the difference, as in all games, is goals.” (After Man City 3-0 loss. Simply not an accurate reflection of the game.)

* * *

Describing the Trabzonspor win as “a famous victory”.

http://www.insidefut...n-battle/30690/

http://www.bloomberg...n-away-run.html

“Today was a famous victory because we hadn’t won more than once away in the whole of 2010,”

* * *

http://www.mirrorfoo...icle528957.html

16 July 2010 – “He’s a player I know very little about.” (About French international striker, Loïc Rémy.)

* * *

4 October 2010 – “There are 31 games left, but when you are in the relegation zone you are in a relegation battle.” (After Blackpool defeat.)

http://www.chinadail...nt_11378535.htm

“Unfortunately, when you give yourself an uphill task with a 0-2 you’ve got to expect it’s going to be very difficult in the second half against a team of Blackpool’s quality.”

Liverpool hadn’t lost a home game to a promoted side since 1999.

* * *

http://www.liverpool...avid-vs-goliath

16 September 2010 – “You don’t play in the Europa League to play against poor opponents.”

* * *

http://www.liverpool...u-are-lfc-class

22 September 2010 – “They’ll be a formidable challenge – there’s no question about that.” (About Northampton Town. Who were at the time 17th in the 4th tier of English football.)

* * *

http://www.liverpool...w-on-cup-defeat

23 September 2010 – “Northampton were clearly better than one would have expected from a team playing where they play.” And on 18-year-old Shelvey’s debut…. “He did well but the fact is he came on in extra-time and people were tiring.”

http://www.liverpool...ion-to-2-2-draw

26 September 2010 – “…in many ways it was the performance we wanted.”

“I think over the 90 minutes we were certainly more than worth the point we got.” (After dreadful Sunderland performance. A team we had dispatched 3-0 the previous year.)

* * *

http://www.liverpool...to-utrecht-draw

1 October – “So it’s a good point to take back to Liverpool. Four points out of two games. It’s the first time we haven’t won one of these games but to be honest it would have been unfortunate for them if we’d won the game tonight. They would have felt hard done by. For me, a draw was a more than satisfactory result.” (After Utrecht 0-0. They’re not even in the top 100 European clubs by UEFA coefficient.)

* * *

http://www.mirrorfoo...icle593189.html

2 October 2010 – “What do you mean do my methods translate? They have translated from Halmsteds to Malmo to Orebo to Neuchatel Xamax to the Swiss national team.”

* * *

http://www.liverpool...erton-verdict-1

17 October 2010, after 2-0 defeat at Everton “This was always going to be a difficult game to win.” (It wasn’t for the previous two Reds’ managers.)

“To get a result here and win the game would have been utopia.”

“I hope that fair-minded people see the game the same way. I think it’s a bit unfortunate that after such a good game of football, everything revolves around the fact that Liverpool didn’t win it.”

“We didn’t score goals and Everton did but I refuse to accept that we were in any way outplayed or any way inferior. I watched the performance and the second half was as good as I saw a Liverpool team play under my management that is for sure.”

* * *

http://www.liverpool...00252-27515832/

21 October 2010, responding to alleged interest from Manchester United in Torres – “With Torres, I think we will cross that bridge when we come to it,” said Hodgson. “There will always be speculation.

“When a great player like Wayne Rooney is looking to leave his club, Manchester United will be a position to target a lot of players around the world.

“I don’t think Fernando Torres will be the only striker they target and I don’t think that we will be the only club that will be worried their striker can be targeted.

“I am not naive to believe that there won’t be any danger and we will never lose a player like Torres.”

* * *

“I hope we don’t get beaten too heavily” … before the friendly with Al Hilal

“I hope we don’t get beaten 6-0” … before the Man City game.

* * *

Do you think, Torres is more suiteable to playing alone, or with a striking partner?

RH: “I don’t know.”

As for Carra, great solid squad player in his career. There's a reason why he never really made England's first 11, and the sooner he actually comes down from that cloud he's made for himself, the better he'll be remembered. Put a sock in it Jamie, you don't know what you're ****ing talking about.

[Rich]

Sick to death of this clueless old fool being our manager

[Bender]

I'd take a bet on the next season Liverpool being without Torres and Reina....the club is falling apart with hodgson buy championship players and his rigor mortis tactics.......Once those players leaving it will be difficult to attract top class players