Pack your bags Roy

[uptonogood]

he has to go cluless away from home his away record with the 3 clubs speaks for itself

[redemption]

I've never claimed to be an ITK and I'd be slightly uncormfortable with such 'elitist' parlance

I'm saying what I'm seeing and you good people can believe it or not

The coming weeks will be very interesting with Roy's situation looking to me as becoming gradually irreversible

The senior players in the squads reactions to a ''dead man walking '' should be worth noting too

anyway, here's a piece from another forum

I'd edit the bad language but it'd take me all night and i've got to post answers in the SOS thread after me evening snack so due apologies in advance here




Sigh....

Some things you say are correct others, in fact most, aren't. Your problem is that your stance is full of ifs, shoulds ,and maybes. None of these were ever valid.

This isn't just aimed at your post btw...

A majority wanted him to go? Maybe, but a majority of people just voted Tory. It doesn't make that viewpoint the right one because the majority of people agreed with it.

Yes, Pellegrini should have been given the job but other than internet chat, there is nothing to show that he was wanting it. He wasn't interviewed because he didn't apply.

Fact is, that love or hate Rafa, in the Summer of 2010, the man should have stayed put. One bad season after 5 good ones shouldn't lead to a sacking at the best of times. In the case of LFC when the corporate governance was the worst in the entire history of the league, it was utter ****ing madness to sack the manager.

Anybody, and I mean anybody, who thought sacking Benitez in the summer would do anything other than knock the club back years, was being ignorant to state the club was in. If we were City, all well and good, but we weren't. We had owners with no money, banks threatening to put us in administration and a sale that could have gone either way.

There wasn't a manager worth his salt, who had anywhere near the quality required for this club, who would have touched us with a barge pole in the summer. We had no money to invest in players, we had to sell players to clear debt, and at that time might have been about to go into administration.

But the "majority" thought Benitez had gone as far as he could. Lets assume the majority were right then. Well the proof is in the pudding. He's gone, never to return, and as many on here said, we got a ****e replacement. Not hindsight, not being wise after the fact. It was said we would get **** and we got ****. We got it because the state the club was in.

If Benitez was left in place and we got rid of the owners, which we did, THEN was the time to take stock. Was last season a blip and we were back to the form of the season before, or were we sliding further? At that point new owners make the call and, without the ****e going on in the background, we either carry on or we appoint a new manager from a solid platform.

Instead we are where we are. ****e. Going backwards on a daily basis. We have a manager who cost us a Benayoun to appoint and will cost another player to ditch. And he is awful, worse than awful. In fact, the worst manager we've ever had in the history of the club. We are mid-table and far less attractive than we should be to many managers. We might just be able to save the day if they get rid now....might.

Negative ****e? Last season was Brazil 1970 compared to the ****e we are being served now. "Rafa put in performances like that" I'm often told. Not every ****ing week he didn't. "We beat Chelsea easily". Yep, so did Sunderland.

The problem you, and others who wanted "a change" in the summer have, is that you were 100% right in your opinion - so you thought. The majority agreed, so you must have been right. Some dissenting voices said you weren't, some said it would make things worse and some said we would get a **** manager to bring us right down. But we finished 7th and were negative, so you were right.

Even if you thought you were right than, you must be either ignorant or steadfastly arrogant to think you are right now. If you or any other "fan" thinks that we are better today than if we had left Benitez in place, justify it. Show all of us where we are better off now than we were last June on a football front. We managed against all the odds to get rid of H&G and are STILL in the ****e. The reason is, that the man in charge of footballing affairs at the club hasn't got a clue what he is doing. and worse still, absolutely no idea who is is meant to be doing it for. He is a miilion years out of sink with every Liverpool supporter that has ever walked the planet.

Now, you thought you were right, you thought it for good reasons. But you were wrong, sacking Benitez in the summer was wrong. Say its only with hindsight if it makes you feel better, but just accept the club ****ed up, the majority (apparently) of fans ****ed up, and now its needs putting right.

Put all the energy you are putting into defending Benitez's dismissal into ensuring the small window we have between now and the next transfer window sees the new regime does the right thing. If you don't, you'll never EVER see us winning either number 19 or number 6, in fact, you'll never see us even playing in the tournament for number 6 ever again.

European Champions, Champions League Finalists, FA Cup Winners, No.1 seed in Europe....... beating Real Madrid, Inter, Barcelona IN THEIR OWN BACKYARDS....negative ****e though......GTF. I'd take a few ****e performances and what we had thanks all the same. The "majority" say I'm wrong though

[Craig_H]

Great article merlboo - completely full of condescending 'i told you so' **** and melodramatic "If you don't, you'll never EVER see us winning either number 19 or number 6" scaremongering.

Of course Hodgson's **** and has to go, and of course Rafa is infinitely better. But the tone of that article is cockrot.

[Lecter]

I don't think for one minute people can assume that because Carraghers dad and mates didn't like Rafa that Jamie had him removed.

I never said that was the reason nor has anyone else as far as I have read

Its always been claimed that Carragher was the one with the beef with Rafa and that has trickled down to his friends and family who have responded / reacted accordingly

Not the other way round as you are suggesting

[IN_RAFA_WE_TRUST]

John wayne needs to do the right thing and sack the old man. Ffs do it, do it now.

[Vermilion]

Aye, pretty much spot on there Merbloo. Good read.

[Rowan]

Is he STILL not gone? FFS sake.

I actually had a thought. Maybe Roy's intention was to come to the club and bring a few 'solid' players, like Poulsen and Konchesky, to help him settle in and bring some stability, as only experienced war horses can. He was then going to gradually make us a more fluid attacking machine by working with our existing team and investing in January.

But being 63 he had a cup of tea and promptly forgot to do all that.

[merlboo]

Great article merlboo - completely full of condescending 'i told you so' **** and melodramatic "If you don't, you'll never EVER see us winning either number 19 or number 6" scaremongering.

Of course Hodgson's **** and has to go, and of course Rafa is infinitely better. But the tone of that article is cockrot.

The post pulls no punches and i did say it it might offend some due to its frankness earlier

Of course not everyones going to agree with all of the points ... it's a footy forum after all

I think one of the messages the lads attempting to extol in there is , it wasn't ''Hindsight'' .... it was ''Nous'' ,of knowing the position we we were in would only allow us to bring in a second rate manager and that was compounded by the financial constraints at the time .

Thanks again Christian

[Vermilion]

The post pulls no punches and i did say it it might offend some due to its frankness earlier

Of course not everyones going to agree with all of the points ... it's a footy forum after all

I think one of the messages the lads attempting to extol in there is , it wasn't ''Hindsight'' .... it was ''Nous'' ,of knowing the position we we were in would only allow us to bring in a second rate manager and that was compounded by the financial constraints at the time .

Thanks again Christian

So many just could'nt/would'nt see it.

[Craig_H]

The post pulls no punches and i did say it it might offend some due to its frankness earlier

Of course not everyones going to agree with all of the points ... it's a footy forum after all

I think one of the messages the lads attempting to extol in there is , it wasn't ''Hindsight'' .... it was ''Nous'' ,of knowing the position we we were in would only allow us to bring in a second rate manager and that was compounded by the financial constraints at the time .

Thanks again Christian

It's not that it 'pulls no punches', i'm hardly the sensitive type after all.

But the bollocksy type of 'i was right and you were wrong' tone is laughable, it virtually demands an apology Ask a poster on here to post in that style, with an aftertone of 'look, i was right, you were wrong, you ****ing idiot' and see how long they last. It's purely antagonistic.

I have no doubt that the message of 'Rafa was far better and shouldnt have been sacked, hodgson is ****' etc etc, is correct. The way it's expressed, is a bit pathetic though.

So many just could'nt/would'nt see it.

Whilst, as i've said, clearly rafa is miles better than roy, and i wish we had indeed kept him - he's hardly pulling up trees in the uncompetitive Serie A.

[Vermilion]

It's not that it 'pulls no punches', i'm hardly the sensitive type after all.

But the bollocksy type of 'i was right and you were wrong' tone is laughable, it virtually demands an apology Ask a poster on here to post in that style, with an aftertone of 'look, i was right, you were wrong, you ****ing idiot' and see how long they last. It's purely antagonistic.

I have no doubt that the message of 'Rafa was far better and shouldnt have been sacked, hodgson is ****' etc etc, is correct. The way it's expressed, is a bit pathetic though.



Whilst, as i've said, clearly rafa is miles better than roy, and i wish we had indeed kept him - he's hardly pulling up trees in the uncompetitive Serie A.

That's not the point though, the point is some of us realised we would not get better, others were SURE we would because we are liverpool.

[Craig_H]

Erm...no.

Others *may* have thought the takeover was slightly more imminent than it proved to be. Just a thought.

[Vermilion]

Erm...no.

Others *may* have thought the takeover was slightly more imminent than it proved to be. Just a thought.

And ?...so what if they did...the takeover has happened...Roy is in charge.

I would much rather the takeover had gone a head with Rafa still in charge, where he would be working with a board that was actually helping him rather than hindering him.

I just did'nt see that Rafa was the problem...the problem was the club and how it was run imo.

[Rowan]

Erm...no.

Others *may* have thought the takeover was slightly more imminent than it proved to be. Just a thought.

Speak for yourself. I'm still amazed it's actually happened. I was convinced that the *******s would find a way to cling on.

[little dave hedgehog]

Speak for yourself. I'm still amazed it's actually happened. I was convinced that the *******s would find a way to cling on.

i have a text that just says "wayyyyyaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyeeeee" to prove it.