Daniel Agger

[MrMichael]

I've said this before, but some people really do need to go back and take another look at Rodger's introductory press conference, paying particular attention to the part of the footage where he butted into one of Ayre's questions to clarify the point about working with a DoF, and note the serious tone and demeanor he takes on when he says that he wouldn't work under that structure and that he's in charge.

There is just no ****ing way that the owners, after abandoning their preferred DoF structure to appease the man they appointed, would then suddenly march into the Manager's office and start demanding that he sell this player or that player. It's Rodgers' system, his vision, and his job to use the finite resources at his disposal to bring that vision to fruition.

Absolutely

All this conspiracy, "forced by the owners" stuff is, as far as I can see, baseless and quite illogical.

If the rumours of Ayre being the one trying to push this deal then he should be ****ed off at the first opportunity. Selling one of our best players while sanctioning the **** signed last summer which are still at the club on mega money.

Well first of all, if he was doing what the owners wanted he'd be pretty unlikely to be "****ed off". And secondly, what evidence of any sort is there for this rumour being anything other than complete ****e?

I have to say I really don't get the overall Ayre dislike that seems to have permeated on here.

If as quotes suggest both Agger and Rodgers don't want the move, why is Ayre/FSG pushing for the move to go through it just makes no sense

Well maybe then it isn't true? Being prepared to consider the idea if we get a silly bid would only be them doing their duty to the club imo. But as for actively pushing the sale against the manager's wishes etc, that one there is no evidence for at all that I can see.

[MrMichael]

Not sure Agger is injury prone though. He was injured a lot in his first 2/3 seasons but then he got better. Played the majority of games last season I think. I can understand the logic in that but we're far better having a player of his quality playing 80% of the games on our books than one playing for our rivals as it merely strengthens them.

Saw somewhere that he'd missed ~45% of our league games in the last 5 years.

That does make him quite injury prone really.

[Buzzo]

If we get a bid in and accept it and Agger still doesn't want to go... What happens?
Enforced Slave trade? Or a free man allowed to play out his contract (hopefully signing a new one along the way)?

[Fredo]

Saw somewhere that he'd missed ~45% of our league games in the last 5 years.

That does make him quite injury prone really.

City must be a bunch of cretins for wanting to sign him for more than £20m then.

[peekay]

Agger: "The tattoo has nothing to do with the current situation.It is a gesture towards The Kop,The club,The people and the City"

1/2 Q: Would you (Agger) like to stay at #LFC?

Agger: I'd rather (stay). I can't imagine playing for other clubs in England. But you never know.The club may think it's best to sell me.

I understand the business rationale especially if we receive a bid of 27 million. But we will look like a bunch of heartless *******s if we force him out after quotes like these.

[danperkins]

Forcing one of the best CB's in the world out of LFC when he really doesn't want to go is ****ing retarded!

[SB]

I understand the business rationale especially if we receive a bid of 27 million. But we will look like a bunch of heartless ********s if we force him out after quotes like these.

Forcing one of the best CB's in the world out of LFC when he really doesn't want to go is ****ing retarded!

^this and ^^ this

[Muddled]

All this conspiracy, "forced by the owners" stuff is, as far as I can see, baseless and quite illogical.

Whilst unfounded, I don't think it's quite so 'out-there'; There is an element of 2 + 2 = 5, but no more so than people saying it's Rodgers forcing him out ...

Daniel is one of the leading players in European football at centre-half. Is he a player I want to lose? No he's not.

It might be one of them situations where it's not in Daniels hands. It's up to the owners at the end of the day

I'd rather (stay). I can't imagine playing for other clubs in England. But you never know.The club may think it's best to sell me.

I think the whole situation could be interpreted either way.

[Lecter]

Saw somewhere that he'd missed ~45% of our league games in the last 5 years.

That does make him quite injury prone really.

Is this he wasnt fit for 45% of the games or that he didnt play in 45% of the games

There might be other reasons why he didnt figure besides injury

Work backwards

Last season he played 27 league games - 33 in total
2010-2011 he played 16 games, 21 in total (remember half of this season was under Roy who actively wanted to sell him and didnt rate him)
2009-2010 played 23 league games, 36 in total
2008-2009 played 18 league games, 26 in total
2007-2008 played 5 league games 6 in total

I think the first season (2007-2008) Hyypia & Carragher were the first choice partnership

I'm not saying Agger isnt injury prone because he is but I'm not sure hes as injury prone as that sort of figure portrays. There was possibly other reasons for some of his absences

The interesting thing is if you look at somebody like Geln Johnson he misses a quite significant amount of games himself per season yet is rarely classed as injury prone and I'm not sure he has been left out because of managerial fall outs and or squad rotation (league games last 3 seasons 23,28,25 - total games last 3 seasons 29, 35, 35)

[MrMichael]

Forcing one of the best CB's in the world out of LFC when he really doesn't want to go is ****ing retarded!

Only that's not what we're doing.

Whilst unfounded, I don't think it's quite so 'out-there'; There is an element of 2 + 2 = 5, but no more so than people saying it's Rodgers forcing him out ...

"An element of"? Both those explanations are pretty dumb imo and indicative of unrealistic or utterly fictional views of how our club (or any club) operates. Nobody is forcing Agger out. Everybody at the club however lives in the real world and are prepared to think about a ridiculous bid. There is no scandal, conspiracy or anything else. Its just football.


Oh, and just in, now I know Bascombe isn't the messiah, but he's definitely as credible as a random muppet or two on twitter...

Rodgers insisted retaining Luis Suárez, Skrtel and fellow centre-half Daniel Agger was a priority on taking over as manager. Only the Dane’s future remains uncertain, but that is because of Manchester City’s spending power and the possibility of an outrageous bid.

Liverpool certainly are not inviting an offer for Agger.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...ian-Tello.html

[Lecter]

Oh, and just in, now I know Bascombe isn't the messiah, but he's definitely as credible as a random muppet or two on twitter...

So not credible at all then

[Lee]

Is this he wasnt fit for 45% of the games or that he didnt play in 45% of the games

There might be other reasons why he didnt figure besides injury

Work backwards

Last season he played 27 league games - 33 in total
2010-2011 he played 16 games, 21 in total (remember half of this season was under Roy who actively wanted to sell him and didnt rate him)
2009-2010 played 23 league games, 36 in total
2008-2009 played 18 league games, 26 in total
2007-2008 played 5 league games 6 in total

I think the first season (2007-2008) Hyypia & Carragher were the first choice partnership

I'm not saying Agger isnt injury prone because he is but I'm not sure hes as injury prone as that sort of figure portrays. There was probably other reasons for his absence

The interesting thing is if you look at somebody like Geln Johnson he misses a quite significant amount of games himself per season yet is rarely classed as injury prone and I'm not sure he has been left out because of managerial fall outs and or squad rotation (league games last 3 seasons 23,28,25 - total games last 3 seasons 29, 35, 35)

Thank you Lec!

- He joined us as a 20 year old (halfway through a season) as back-up to recent CL winners Hyypia & Carragher.
- He picked up a couple of bad injuries on his back and foot which kept him out for a long time.
- Rafa then went through a stage of picking Carragher & Skrtel as first choice, which is fair enough because they were okay together.
- Hodgson didn't rate or like Agger.
- Agger spent a couple of games on the bench last season after returning from injury.

I think we need to look at how many games he's been available for, and the reason's he has and hasn't played rather than how many games he's played since January 2006 (when he joined us).

He missed a couple of patches last season through two freak injuries to his ribs. He hasn't really had a bad record since 2008. Let's look at what he can contribute now rather than his past record and not reading into the why's and reasons behind his absences.

[Lecter]

Thank you Lec!

- He joined us as a 20 year old (halfway through a season) as back-up to recent CL winners Hyypia & Carragher.
- He picked up a couple of bad injuries on his back and foot which kept him out for a long time.
- Rafa then went through a stage of picking Carragher & Skrtel as first choice, which is fair enough because they were okay together.
- Hodgson didn't rate or like Agger.

I think we need to look at how many games he's been available for, and the reason's he has and hasn't played rather than how many games he's played since January 2006 (when he joined us).

He missed a couple of patches last season through two freak injuries to his ribs. He hasn't really had a bad record since 2008. Let's look at what he can contribute now rather than his past record and not reading into the why's and reasons behind his absences.

I think we have to accept that Agger suffers more injuries than some other players in the squad just like Glen Johnson does but I do feel the whole injury prone thing is over-exaggerated and some of the figures used to support the injury prone argument I think are somewhat distorted

[Chris]

Is this he wasnt fit for 45% of the games or that he didnt play in 45% of the games

There might be other reasons why he didnt figure besides injury

Work backwards

Last season he played 27 league games - 33 in total
2010-2011 he played 16 games, 21 in total (remember half of this season was under Roy who actively wanted to sell him and didnt rate him)
2009-2010 played 23 league games, 36 in total
2008-2009 played 18 league games, 26 in total
2007-2008 played 5 league games 6 in total

I think the first season (2007-2008) Hyypia & Carragher were the first choice partnership

I'm not saying Agger isnt injury prone because he is but I'm not sure hes as injury prone as that sort of figure portrays. There was possibly other reasons for some of his absences

The interesting thing is if you look at somebody like Geln Johnson he misses a quite significant amount of games himself per season yet is rarely classed as injury prone and I'm not sure he has been left out because of managerial fall outs and or squad rotation (league games last 3 seasons 23,28,25 - total games last 3 seasons 29, 35, 35)

Yeah he's defo not Aurelio like but it's still a big concern, he's injured every season without fail. Heck, even in the 10 minute training video from Boston he spent most of it crying in pain!

Then theres games he's played which he had to come off in like West Brom, Sparta Prague, Everton. Still wouldnt sell him mind but can see why the club would consider £25m plus.

[Mark79]

Oh, and just in, now I know Bascombe isn't the messiah, but he's definitely as credible as a random muppet or two on twitter...

Quote:
Rodgers insisted retaining Luis Suárez, Skrtel and fellow centre-half Daniel Agger was a priority on taking over as manager. Only the Dane’s future remains uncertain, but that is because of Manchester City’s spending power and the possibility of an outrageous bid.

Liverpool certainly are not inviting an offer for Agger.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...ian-Tello.html

So LFC aren't inviting an offer but we are stalling long enough to see if we get one because it could be for a huge amount.

Is it just me that doesn't really get the difference here?