Carra

[Qantaga]

What's with hanging Carra

I think he should be replaced, but I strongly disagree with him leaving the club, keep him as back-up for a season or two and then throw the lad into a coaching position or something similar, he's a good role model for the younger players. He's still a very decent Liverpool player even if his on the pitch performances have been on the downhill. Wouldn't be in the best interests of the club to cut him from the team completely just yet.

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[Redspin]

What's with hanging Carra

I think he should be replaced, but I strongly disagree with him leaving the club, keep him as back-up for a season or two and then throw the lad into a coaching position or something similar, he's a good role model for the younger players. He's still a very decent Liverpool player even if his on the pitch performances have been on the downhill. Wouldn't be in the best interests of the club to cut him from the team completely just yet.

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Unfortunately we're out of the Carling Cup, which would have been OK for Carragher. Then we could put him back in his box for the remainder of his £90K a week contract

[Craig_H]

Ignoring his age and focusing on his performances. Put up a side by side comparison of all the recent games kelly and carragher have played, abd in each of those games mark up how often they stopped a defender, how often their balls found all iverpool player, and how many mistakes each made. I'm sorry but right now Kelly is doing better. To say otherwise is blindness.

Yes, and if you took a look at all recent games, David N'Gog is better than Fernando Torres.

[Drago]

Yes, and if you took a look at all recent games, David N'Gog is better than Fernando Torres.

[GorbyPeacePrize]

So you say he's a gob****e because of the text. Yet when challenged as to why you think it was him you say it's likely to be him because he's a gob****e.

Ever heard of circular logic?

I'm saying he's a gob****e because of :

a) I'm agreeing with an option in the poll

and

b) For some of the gob****e things he's done:

- cyring to his snide media stooge in the Sunday Sun to undermine the manager

- agitating for the manager to be sacked just so he can get a lucrative contract extension

- revelling in us being unsuccessful - i.e. the gob****e text to houllier

- coming out with the sly digs at the previous manager with his "we should get back to acting with dignity and class so that fat headed *******s like Steve Bruce will like us"

- stating that a horrible demented cunt like Alex Ferguson is the master and is just like a Scouser

- refusing to play right back vs. Middleborough because of his 'heavy legs'

- having a dig at the previous manager by stating the treble was a better achievement than Istanbul

- calling our support pricks away at Stoke for not bumming Hodgson

- barking at the young players at every oppotunity, while all he does is mindlessly hoof the ****ing ball all day long


He's a grade A bluenose gob****e.

[GorbyPeacePrize]

Nobody's 'singling out' Carragher, but it's a Carragher thread FFS, obviously he is going to be the focus.

Nobody's diminishing the contribution of other players - do you notice how those people defending Carragher, are mentioning Carragher, and not other players??

"diminishing other players" indeed

Wildly exaggerating the contribution of Carragher implicitly diminishes the contribution made by the other players.

[Drago]

Opens thread Closes it for good.

[GorbyPeacePrize]

So defenders deserve no part in a teams success then

When I look at teams from the past the likes of Hansen,Smith,Yeats etc are every bit as much legends as Rush and Dalglish.

You win nothing with poor defenders.

You say Carra was at fault for us being 3 down yet you say nothing about Hyypia who you praised earlier yet he was there too.And what about Dudek who failed to keep those goals out yet made a superb double save in extra time not to mention the penalty shoot out.

To disregard Carra's contribution to our success because of goals conceded is I'm simplistic nonsense

The past players you mentioned are great football players, and could hold their own in any company; they are not severely limited one-trick ponies that need a specific system - sitting way deep with plenty of midfield protection - in order to show a semblance of effectiveness.

The point i've made (several times) about the other players is that it was a collective effort - to single out one player and describe the supposed 'heroics' diminishes the contribution of the other players.

[GorbyPeacePrize]

why not?

Gerrard nearly left us on two occassions because he wanted to win things; I can't see him sending texts to a former manager revellling in the fact that we have recently been less successful in terms of the number of trophies won than under that particular manager. Plus, Gerrard hasn't publicly stated that Houllier is the best manager he's ever worked under.

[GorbyPeacePrize]

Nah, he's past his best and should gracefully bow out from being first choice for the first team a la Hyypia, but you shouldn't write off the good stuff.

Instead of gracefully bowing out he agitated for the manager to get sacked just so he could get a lucrative contract extension. As as already been pointed out, signing that contract extension hours before the takeover stank to high heaven.

[G]

The past players you mentioned are great football players, and could hold their own in any company; they are not severely limited one-trick ponies that need a specific system - sitting way deep with plenty of midfield protection - in order to show a semblance of effectiveness.

The point i've made (several times) about the other players is that it was a collective effort - to single out one player and describe the supposed 'heroics' diminishes the contribution of the other players.

I never singled him out for anything,merely stated that he deserves praise for his role in those successes as much as any of them do.

You disagree,so be it.

He is past it though

[alunevans]

Wildly exaggerating the contribution of Carragher implicitly diminishes the contribution made by the other players.

Then please stop implicitly boosting the contribution of other players.

[Craig_H]

Then please stop implicitly boosting the contribution of other players.

[alunevans]

Gerrard nearly left us on two occassions because he wanted to win things; I can't see him sending texts to a former manager revellling in the fact that we have recently been less successful in terms of the number of trophies won than under that particular manager. Plus, Gerrard hasn't publicly stated that Houllier is the best manager he's ever worked under.

You've still not proven he sent that text or that Houllier got any such text. It's all assertion so I'm not buying that or any other dip**** rumour that flies round this city.

And so what if he said Houllier is the best manager he's ever worked under. Carragher in "I like that former Reds boss better than this former Reds boss" scandal.

Silly.

[vlahka]

Yes, and if you took a look at all recent games, David N'Gog is better than Fernando Torres.

So you're saying we should play Torres more and not Ngog regarding their form.

I'm actually really sick of how players are now days. Back when, if players were bad, ignoring their status, they got dropped until they proved they could perform again. Now days they leave them in the squad for fear of a sulky girly fit which hampers the team. I dont understand it. Player consistantly performs bad, sideline them till they find their bloody passion again. Otherwise we're just screwing ourselves.