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    So, What do you really think of our Squad?

    I was just wondering what everybody really thinks of our squad.

    My own thoughts are that our squad is quite simply not good enough. Yes they can play well when they are on their game but that has rarely happened over the last 18 months.

    I also wonder if a number of those who performed so well when we finished 2nd are now shot mentally following their efforts in that they are now wondering what more they have to do to win the league after coming so close that year.

    Well here's my take on the squad, do let me know if I've missed anyone:

    Reina - World class, true leader, Mr Liverpool FC, wouldn't swap him for anyone, part 1 of our spine.
    Jones - Meh, back-up keeper, would prefer to see a young up and coming keeper as reserve keeper.
    Johnson - Defensive frailities (sp?) are shining through, supposed to be England's No. 1 RB, would like to see him given an opportunity to play RM (our own Gareth Bale).
    Kelly - showing so much promise, like him as RB not sure about CB as never seen him play in that position, worry about him ending up playing too many games a'la Insua but Cathcart last night is only 21 and has played all season I think.
    Skrtel - Just not good enough for me, liability, hoof defender, not good on the ball, looks like he could give a penalty away every game.
    Agger - Class but just injury prone, we need another CB who is comfortable on the ball, part 2 of our spine.
    Soto - Not good enough either, good offensively, but not brilliant defensively.
    Carra - starting to get passed it, still got good head on him and organisational skills.
    Wilson - haven't seen anywhere near enough of him to comment except that he should be kept as back-up and one for the future.
    Konchesky - thought he would be steady away for us and therefore an improvement on Insua (not knocking Insua here - see below) but is actually just not a Liverpool player.
    Aurelio - Our only other defender who really does look comfortable with a football at his feet when defending but injury prone and needs replacing.
    Insua - feel for the lad, good prospect but was just thrown in the deep end last season and it showed with a number of big errors, would like to see him brought back.
    Kuyt - hard working great but struggles to control a football, not very good at crossing and you are not exactly going to see him going on a mazy run passed opposition defenders. Would he of been better had he been left to play in the position he was playing in when we bought him? Possibly keep as back-up, possibly time to go.
    Meireles - Not sure yet, I believe he is a quality player but showing signs of not being up to it, physically.
    Lucas - I'll admit I wouldn't of been sad at seeing him go a while back but hats off to the lad, has improved greatly but still only see him as back up to the first eleven.
    Poulsen - Had quite a good game last night but not good enough.
    Maxi - Has got the skill but looking at his age, time to go for me, plus doesn't perform consistently enough.
    Pachecho - not sure, hasn't been given enough chances, I would of thought worth keeping for the future
    Cole - How disappointing has he been? I really thought this was a good signing, an improvement on Benny but so far that hasn't proved to be the case, injury prone as well, would keep.
    Babel - seems to prefer Twitter to playing football but then you could argue he hasn't been given a good enough run in the team but then you could argue again that he hasn't deserved it.
    Jovanovic - As a free signing Jova looked as though he might be a good deal but is another who just hasn't taken his chances when given and really needs to go for me.
    Gerrard - Pure class, has got us out of so many holes I've lost count but is starting to knock on a bit, the third part of our spine.
    Ngog - showing promise, not entirely convinced but worth keeping as back-up as long as someone else is brought in above him.
    Torres - What can I say, absolute class but does appear to be a little injury prone. Still, wouldn't swap him for anyone, the final part of our spine.

    So that's my take on our squad, what's yours?

    #2
    Meh....

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      #3
      Not our main problem IMO. We need improvements for sure, 4 or 5 very good players, but apart from the usual suspects (Konchesky, Jones, Poulsen, Babel, Jova) I don't think we need a massive clearout.
      Are we winning?

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        #4
        Lacks first team players.
        Brandt - Keita - Van Dijk - Sessegnon

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          #5
          Originally posted by SimonNo7 View Post
          Reina - Best Keeper in the Prem and the Best LFC keeper that I can remember. Mr Consistant
          Jones - Does a job, I would rather have kept Cavileri
          Johnson - The bloke needs to get a ****ing grip and realise he is playing in defence. Would like him moved up to RM though
          Kelly - I really like the guy, and that fact he is a local lad helps. We cant rush him though. But the praise from Kenny he got was deserved. Definate LFC player
          Skrtel - Get rid, he was ok-ish in his first season, other than that he has done nothing but hoof it
          Agger - Wish he could get a decent run in the side. He is a good ball playing defender.
          Soto - He has got us out of a few holes this season and is very good in the air. Decent as back up
          Carra - Getting on but can still do a job. Any team with carra in is stronger
          Wilson - Not seen enough of the kid yet. should get chances under Kenny.
          Konchesky - **** him off. He is awful
          Aurelio - Good footballer with a decent brain. He is essentially the Agger of the LB position
          Insua - He wont be around much longer I fear. Has great potential
          Kuyt - Hard work only gets you so far, and this season has been his worse. But again still. We need his experiance and goals.
          Meireles - He will be a good player for us I have no doubt. He needs to be braver and stronger. I still have flashbacks of when Yakubu shoved him over.
          Lucas - The Lads a legend. He works hard for the team and does all the right things on the pitch now. Will never be world class, but will always have a place in the squad or 1st team
          Poulsen - Had a bad start to the season. Not a bad player, just not up to it yet.
          Maxi - I used to be his harshest critic. But he has impressed me more and more recently. Not good enough for LFC though.
          Pachecho - Still not sure
          Cole - **** knows whats wrong with the lad. We all know he can do it. Perhaps he needs a loving cuddle to get him going.
          Babel - I still hold out that one day he will explode and not stop scoring. I would keep him as an option
          Jovanovic - Im sure he was a striker when he came to us, but Dodgeson played him out wide. He is not terrible. But he is not LFC standard again.
          Gerrard - Legend. Our greatest ever player coaching our 3rd best ever player. Need I say more. BTW Barnes was the 2nd best ever player.
          Ngog - Is good for smaller games, and will devolop into a decent player. Needs time still. Good value for what we paid though.
          Torres - Best striker in the world on his day. Definate LFC quility

          Our squad is made up of 5 or so players that are good enough. (Gerrard, Torres, Carra, Reina and Kelly) 6 or so that will do (Lucas, Agger, Aurelio, Kyut, Meireles and Cole) The rest need to be shipped out.
          *Except Michael, who died.

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            #6
            Originally posted by SimonNo7 View Post
            I was just wondering what everybody really thinks of our squad.

            My own thoughts are that our squad is quite simply not good enough. Yes they can play well when they are on their game but that has rarely happened over the last 18 months.

            I also wonder if a number of those who performed so well when we finished 2nd are now shot mentally following their efforts in that they are now wondering what more they have to do to win the league after coming so close that year.

            Well here's my take on the squad, do let me know if I've missed anyone:

            Reina - World class, true leader, Mr Liverpool FC, wouldn't swap him for anyone, part 1 of our spine.
            Jones - Meh, back-up keeper, would prefer to see a young up and coming keeper as reserve keeper.
            Johnson - Defensive frailities (sp?) are shining through, supposed to be England's No. 1 RB, would like to see him given an opportunity to play RM (our own Gareth Bale).
            Kelly - showing so much promise, like him as RB not sure about CB as never seen him play in that position, worry about him ending up playing too many games a'la Insua but Cathcart last night is only 21 and has played all season I think.
            Skrtel - Just not good enough for me, liability, hoof defender, not good on the ball, looks like he could give a penalty away every game.
            Agger - Class but just injury prone, we need another CB who is comfortable on the ball, part 2 of our spine.
            Soto - Not good enough either, good offensively, but not brilliant defensively.
            Carra - starting to get passed it, still got good head on him and organisational skills.
            Wilson - haven't seen anywhere near enough of him to comment except that he should be kept as back-up and one for the future.
            Konchesky - thought he would be steady away for us and therefore an improvement on Insua (not knocking Insua here - see below) but is actually just not a Liverpool player.
            Aurelio - Our only other defender who really does look comfortable with a football at his feet when defending but injury prone and needs replacing.
            Insua - feel for the lad, good prospect but was just thrown in the deep end last season and it showed with a number of big errors, would like to see him brought back.
            Kuyt - hard working great but struggles to control a football, not very good at crossing and you are not exactly going to see him going on a mazy run passed opposition defenders. Would he of been better had he been left to play in the position he was playing in when we bought him? Possibly keep as back-up, possibly time to go.
            Meireles - Not sure yet, I believe he is a quality player but showing signs of not being up to it, physically.
            Lucas - I'll admit I wouldn't of been sad at seeing him go a while back but hats off to the lad, has improved greatly but still only see him as back up to the first eleven.
            Poulsen - Had quite a good game last night but not good enough.
            Maxi - Has got the skill but looking at his age, time to go for me, plus doesn't perform consistently enough.
            Pachecho - not sure, hasn't been given enough chances, I would of thought worth keeping for the future
            Cole - How disappointing has he been? I really thought this was a good signing, an improvement on Benny but so far that hasn't proved to be the case, injury prone as well, would keep.
            Babel - seems to prefer Twitter to playing football but then you could argue he hasn't been given a good enough run in the team but then you could argue again that he hasn't deserved it.
            Jovanovic - As a free signing Jova looked as though he might be a good deal but is another who just hasn't taken his chances when given and really needs to go for me.
            Gerrard - Pure class, has got us out of so many holes I've lost count but is starting to knock on a bit, the third part of our spine.
            Ngog - showing promise, not entirely convinced but worth keeping as back-up as long as someone else is brought in above him.
            Torres - What can I say, absolute class but does appear to be a little injury prone. Still, wouldn't swap him for anyone, the final part of our spine.

            So that's my take on our squad, what's yours?
            Reina - World class, true leader, Mr Liverpool FC, wouldn't swap him for anyone, part 1 of our spine.
            Jones - Decent backup, especially if he is happy being it, good to have a somewhat experienced backup keeper and hard to get.
            Johnson - not good enough for RB but would like to see him get a chance as RW, would give som creativity up front that kuyt does not give us.
            Kelly - play him as RB for the reminder of the season, perhaps the only player to impres me this season.
            Skrtel - Good squad player, not good enough for a regular starter
            Agger - Class but just injury prone, we need another CB who is comfortable on the ball, part 2 of our spine. - world class if he can stay fit.
            Soto - Decent squad player, nothing more, nothing less.
            Carra - To me still a very important part of our defense and natural companion to agger atm. We have no other defender that can organize the defence properly.
            Wilson - very good prospect, hope he gets some games ahead of the other squad CD.
            Konchesky - ship him out ASAP. Play insua instead when back.
            Aurelio - Good squad player but too injury prone to ever be a regular, only signed back because of lack of funds in the summer. Will continue to be a waste of wages for 2/3 of a season.
            Insua - good prospect gotten way to much stick last season, hope he comes back an claims a regular.
            Kuyt - just not good enough for the position he plays, hard working, great ethics but a poor footballer his position considered. Said it many times before, but I would be excited if he was a DM.
            Meireles - still have to proove himself, but a good squad player and one we can be satisfied with.
            Lucas - Good squad player, but never good enough to be a regular starter for what is supposed to be a CL challenging team.
            Poulsen - So far failed to impress, I know for a fact he has more to offer, but so far he does not seem to be up for the PL - perhaps getting past it.
            Maxi - Good squad player but does not fit our style of play. Fantastic for AM when there, and I had much higher hopes for him.
            Pachecho - not sure, hasn't been given enough chances, I would of thought worth keeping for the future
            Cole - Expected much more from him than he has shown, although tbf he has been injured a lot as well as the though start against arsenal. Hope he starts proving himself soon.
            Babel - Can't remember seeing a player with less footballing intelligence than him (perhaps being a bit hard on him), but he offers nothing but speed to the team which is nowhere near enough. A Cisse that can't score goals.
            Jovanovic -Never expected him to make it considering his age and never been anywhere better than belgian football. So far not impressed and doubt he will make it for us.
            Gerrard - By far our best midfielder and by far our most inspirational player, a must keep for the squad.
            Ngog - showing promise, and a good rotation player. I would keep him around.
            Torres - A class player when in form, and an integral part of any succes we can hope to achieve this season. A must keep and hard to replace player.

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              #7
              our biggest problem for me is central midfield. although the posession stats were better yesterday than at other times this season, we struggle to get hold of the ball and keep it for any length of time.

              you cant always carve through every team you play and sometimes have to show patience on the ball which we dont. We used to be able to keep hold of the ball for 20 - 30 passes fairly comfortably and now we cant. Also when we lose it, we cant seem to get it back quick enough.

              Thats the first area that needs looking at but then i would take a serious look at the wide areas. Dirk runs himself into the ground every match but for a £10m football player his all round ability bar his stamina are really poor. he struggles to play simple 10 yard passes and you just cant have that at liverpool football club.

              the left hand side has been our achilles since kewell left. babels not a left winger, riera had his moments but just too few and jova looks like he doesnt know how to play that position.

              move johnson over to the right flank with kelly behind, buy ashley young for the left, play gerrard behind torres. Until the summer that should be enough.

              But thereafter the squad needs a complete overhaul with 7 or 8 leaving and just as many coming in with the central midfield area needing the most attention.
              [B]Sir Isaac Newton knew the universal law of karma - any action has its equal and opposite reaction.[B]

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                #8
                As i said before our squad is very very poor ..alot of money has been wasted

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Bender View Post
                  As i said before our squad is very very poor..alot of money has been wasted
                  It's too early into Kenny's regime to state that. There are 4 or 5 players who need to be replaced, but mostly they come from Roy's buys.

                  The legacy that Hodgson left, in terms of training, tactics, fitness regime etc... is going to take some time to overturn and until that point, it's unfair to state anything for definite.

                  Kenny doesn't seem to agree with you. He believes he can work with that squad and improve it, a damning indictment to Roy Hodgson's work IMO.
                  Are we winning?

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by cream View Post
                    Lacks first team players.
                    That really is the crux of it We need 5 first team players. Around 5 of our current first team players should be squad players and most of our bench/extended squad should simply not be at the club.
                    96 Never Forgotten

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by NigelLG View Post
                      It's too early into Kenny's regime to state that. There are 4 or 5 players who need to be replaced, but mostly they come from Roy's buys.

                      The legacy that Hodgson left, in terms of training, tactics, fitness regime etc... is going to take some time to overturn and until that point, it's unfair to state anything for definite.

                      Kenny doesn't seem to agree with you. He believes he can work with that squad and improve it, a damning indictment to Roy Hodgson's work IMO.

                      Hodge signed ****e players but so did Rafa. I'm glad that Comolli has arrived and the scouts that Rafa appointed has now left.
                      "Justice has been done."

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Glenn Hysen View Post

                        Hodge signed ****e players but so did Rafa. I'm glad that Comolli has arrived and the scouts that Rafa appointed has now left.
                        Agreed.
                        Brandt - Keita - Van Dijk - Sessegnon

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Bender View Post
                          As i said before our squad is very very poor ..alot of money has been wasted
                          ^

                          In a nutshell

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Glenn Hysen View Post

                            Hodge signed ****e players but so did Rafa. I'm glad that Comolli has arrived and the scouts that Rafa appointed has now left.
                            Who are those '****e' players? I really mean '****e' not average or squad players.
                            Are we winning?

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by NigelLG View Post
                              Who are those '****e' players? I really mean '****e' not average or squad players.
                              Konchesky? He is the worst player since Dundee ive seen pull on a shirt
                              *Except Michael, who died.

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