Torres

[captain-caveman]

What do the stars(*) mean?

I'm guessing that they are players whose first 100 games were in the top flight, is that correct?? That would mean Torres has the most prolific top flight record in his first 100 games.

Fantastic record either way

The stars mean 'all in the top flight'

[kris90210]

We will have a problem this coming summer. His contract runs until 2013, so by June, he'll be two years away.

By which stage, we have to each sign a new deal or sell.

Nail on the head

Big, big summer for Liverpool FC:

Torres - stay or go? Needs to be decided one way or another. He has the option of an additional year on his contract. Hopefully he excercises that. If he doesn't we have to sell and use the funds to rebuild.

Manager - probably need a new manager. Always turbulent times for any club.

Owners first proper transfer window - let's all hope they don't dissapoint.

Rest of the squad - having watched us play the way we have done for the past season and a half under 3 different manager, I am in doubt whatsoever that we need to do some serious rebuilding. The majority of the players at the club aren't good enough to be first team. Hopefully we'll see lots of departures.

New stadium - the owners will probably have made a decision on the new stadium by then as well

[Rudo]

Hope to God, Torres gives it another season at Liverpool, i'm a little more hopeful than a few weeks ago.

Looks so much happier with Dalglish as manager and the new style of play - getting plenty of service from the midfield and he isn't totally isolated.

Maybe he knows we're bringing in some new players as well hence the change of attitude.

[RichC]

I think he's loving playing for the King so far, comments like Torres has a magic wand and bigging up how good he is and playing to his strengths on the pitch are going to make him enjoy his football again.

[Exiled_red]

If he's happy with the football we are playing and Kenny as manager if Kenny stays you can only imagine that will encourage him to play

[cream]

And some people wanted him sold...

[jono]

I can see him flourishing under Kenny more so than he did under Rafa. In yesterdays game against Wolves he wouldn't have scored any goals for Hodgson (due to his tactics isolating him) and under Rafa he couldn't have scored more than one (due to likely being subbed). If we play football which will bring the best out of him (and lets face it, so far so good) and he sees improvements in results (again so far so good) then there will be no reason for him to look elsewhere.

[Shaggy]

I can see him flourishing under Kenny more so than he did under Rafa. In yesterdays game against Wolves he wouldn't have scored any goals for Hodgson (due to his tactics isolating him) and under Rafa he couldn't have scored more than one (due to likely being subbed). If we play football which will bring the best out of him (and lets face it, so far so good) and he sees improvements in results (again so far so good) then there will be no reason for him to look elsewhere.

Huh? Under Rafa he had an absolutely exceptional goalscoring record, easily the best of his career. I don't have it to hand but it can't have been far off a goal a game. If Kenny can get him back to matching that, we'll all be made up. No manager has ever coaxed more out of Torres in his entire career than Benitez, that is a fact.

[jono]

Huh? Under Rafa he had an absolutely exceptional goalscoring record, easily the best of his career. I don't have it to hand but it can't have been far off a goal a game. If Kenny can get him back to matching that, we'll all be made up. No manager has ever coaxed more out of Torres in his entire career than Benitez, that is a fact.

I don't dispute that Rafa got the best out of Torres. He turned him into what he is today. He has never done for Spain what he has done for us. But Rafa did sub him quite often after an hour. I think had he of not subbed him he would have an even greater goal scoring record. I could understand why he dragged him, particularly as the game was won at times. But if Kenny leaves him on the pitch longer he will deliver more. It remains to be seen whether early substitutions lead to less incidence of injury. We'll see.

[Vermilion]

See, i never noticed Torres always being subbed after an hour, although, i'm getting on a bit nowadays, so it could quite simply be a case of...i just never noticed.

Scored a lot of goals in those hour long displays though eh.

[Arn]

I don't dispute that Rafa got the best out of Torres. He turned him into what he is today. He has never done for Spain what he has done for us. But Rafa did sub him quite often after an hour. I think had he of not subbed him he would have an even greater goal scoring record. I could understand why he dragged him, particularly as the game was won at times. But if Kenny leaves him on the pitch longer he will deliver more. It remains to be seen whether early substitutions lead to less incidence of injury. We'll see.

Rafa didn't subbed him quite often after an hour. He did it sometimes with about 5-10 minutes or so left. Strikers with Torres playing style can more easily pick up injuries late in the games. Players that use a lot of sprint technique.

The very few times he did subbed him with 30 or so minutes left he got a lot of stick even if the team almost every time played better and created more chances.

[Reece]

I think occasions like when Torres was subbed against Birmingham that time, and Gerrard was seen shaking his head sticks in people's minds, and then they come to think that it was the norm.

[Shaggy]

I think occasions like when Torres was subbed against Birmingham that time, and Gerrard was seen shaking his head sticks in people's minds, and then they come to think that it was the norm.

He was taken off with 5 mins to go a fair bit yeah, but very rarely after an hour.

[jono]

Rafa didn't subbed him quite often after an hour. He did it sometimes with about 5-10 minutes or so left. Strikers with Torres playing style can more easily pick up injuries late in the games. Players that use a lot of sprint technique.

The very few times he did subbed him with 30 or so minutes left he got a lot of stick even if the team almost every time played better and created more chances.

I felt that it was a lot earlier than the 80 - 85 minute mark but having said that based on yesterdays performance he would have scored only one under Rafa. My intention is not to start up a pro-anti Rafa thread, but I can see him doing really really well under the current structure with Kenny in charge.

[Reece]

I felt that it was a lot earlier than the 80 - 85 minute mark but having said that based on yesterdays performance he would have scored only one under Rafa. My intention is not to start up a pro-anti Rafa thread, but I can see him doing really really well under the current structure with Kenny in charge.

We all hope he once again thrives under Dalglish