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    #46
    Portrait of our principal owner



    By Mark Robinson

    John Henry recently gave a 10 minute interview to the American broadcaster Fox Sports about his motivations and ambitions concerning LFC. Leaving aside the nauseating reality that Fox Sports is owned by the same evil empire which owns the Sun newspaper; I highly recommend that fellow Liverpool fans take a look (if you haven’t already).

    Readers my age (30) and above will probably have already realised that this is a strange new era of football we’re currently living through. I’ve been trawling my brain for memories of the owners and chairmen of my childhood to try and place it all in context. I remember David Moores (because he was in charge of my club), for some reason Ken Bates always comes to mind (I put that down to his self-promotion), I also recall Robert Chase at Norwich City (but only because I grew up in Norwich where everyone hated him), and of course Elton John (because he’s Elton John). On the whole chairmen were anonymous unless their own fans chose to put them on the back pages through protest.

    20 years on and owners/chairmen are football personalities in there own right, no longer known only to their own fans but fully part of the PR circus following the Premier League. Thanks to Roman Abramovich (Chelsea), Malcolm Glazer (ManUtd), Sheikh Mansour (ManCity), Randy Lerner (Aston Villa), Daniel Levy (Spurs), Mike Ashley (Newcastle), Bill Kenwright (Everton) and Mohamed Al Fayed (Fulham) and of course our own FSG; I can name 9 of the 20 head honchos of the EPL off the top of my head. And be aware I am not some football nerd who studies other clubs; my interest in football begins and ends with the Reds. Yet without even Googling ‘premier league billionaires’ I have become aware of their existence and by extension their importance to outcomes on the pitch.

    Like most things I don’t like, this state of affairs can be blamed on Rupert Murdoch, or more accurately Sky Sports. The hype they generate around the Premier League draws rich men looking for the prestige of fancy toys (what do you get for the man who has everything?); while the huge TV revenues it funnels into clubs has drawn the attention of the profit driven business establishment. In H&G, Liverpool were saddled with the latter, while some of the teams below us were receiving the benefits of the former.

    Now we are told there is a third option, a group of rich (presumably) men who live for the thrill of sporting immortality. For Henry it seems like the draw of owning Liverpool is for FSG to recreate the circumstances of their tenure at the Boston Red Sox. By bringing a desperately sought after prize to a club and in doing so “break [the] curse” hanging over it Henry positions himself in the role of saviour. Had Liverpool won the league 2 seasons ago it seems unlikely that the appeal, or indeed price, of the club would have provided necessary temptation for an FSG bid. As thing currently stand, a man who promises the title fits quite nicely into a Liverpool fan’s expectations of a saviour.

    From the interview, and in fact all the interviews he’s given so far, we’ve learnt that he’s a man who, at the very least, knows the right things to say. That may sound obvious in this era of chairmen addressing fans as if at a shareholder’s meeting. Debates about long-term stability, business models and the growing of revenue streams are no longer restricted to accountants in the boardroom but regularly take place amongst fans in pubs and internet forums. Fans demand to know these finer points of club administration. Liverpool fans especially who have been stung once by owners who assured us of their business credentials only to learn the financial realities behind a leveraged buy-out.

    To Henry’s credit he has done well to layout the clubs future direction for the fans to scrutinise. The club will spend only what it generates which, unlike the business models of some other clubs, complies with the new UEFA restrictions from day one. Those of us hoping for short-term Sheikh style spending would be disappointed (presumably Torres would fall into this group). However those of us with more patience know that it won’t be long until a debt-free Liverpool with a legion of fans will out earn the clubs who have relied on billionaire sugar-daddies. An emphasis will be placed on the youth system under the obvious assumption that it costs less to produce a player than buy one. On that point it was good to see Henry’s observation that players brought through the youth system tend to have greater affection and loyalty to the club; suggesting that he sees players as more than mere assets but rather individuals with an important role in the local community.

    Overall John Henry comes across as a very clever man. His body language is always presenting a reserved, relaxed and thoughtful character that seems to understand the psychology of the Liverpool fanbase. A psychology which incorporates decades of achievement and expectation with the distasteful experiences wrought by our previous owners. Our new owners can only say the right thing if they know what we expect from them and considering this interview it is clear that FSG are at least listening to the fans. Only time will tell whether they become the saviours that they position themselves to be but I, for one, will be giving them the benefit of the doubt. So when John Henry says “you just gave me Goosebumps” as a reply to a question about Liverpool winning the Premier League I will believe him and take it as a sign that there is more than a desire for profit in this man’s heart.
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    'Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple.'

    Bill Shankly.

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      #47
      Originally posted by kop-al-74 View Post
      Portrait of our principal owner



      By Mark Robinson

      John Henry recently gave a 10 minute interview to the American broadcaster Fox Sports about his motivations and ambitions concerning LFC. Leaving aside the nauseating reality that Fox Sports is owned by the same evil empire which owns the Sun newspaper; I highly recommend that fellow Liverpool fans take a look (if you haven’t already).

      Readers my age (30) and above will probably have already realised that this is a strange new era of football we’re currently living through. I’ve been trawling my brain for memories of the owners and chairmen of my childhood to try and place it all in context. I remember David Moores (because he was in charge of my club), for some reason Ken Bates always comes to mind (I put that down to his self-promotion), I also recall Robert Chase at Norwich City (but only because I grew up in Norwich where everyone hated him), and of course Elton John (because he’s Elton John). On the whole chairmen were anonymous unless their own fans chose to put them on the back pages through protest.

      20 years on and owners/chairmen are football personalities in there own right, no longer known only to their own fans but fully part of the PR circus following the Premier League. Thanks to Roman Abramovich (Chelsea), Malcolm Glazer (ManUtd), Sheikh Mansour (ManCity), Randy Lerner (Aston Villa), Daniel Levy (Spurs), Mike Ashley (Newcastle), Bill Kenwright (Everton) and Mohamed Al Fayed (Fulham) and of course our own FSG; I can name 9 of the 20 head honchos of the EPL off the top of my head. And be aware I am not some football nerd who studies other clubs; my interest in football begins and ends with the Reds. Yet without even Googling ‘premier league billionaires’ I have become aware of their existence and by extension their importance to outcomes on the pitch.

      Like most things I don’t like, this state of affairs can be blamed on Rupert Murdoch, or more accurately Sky Sports. The hype they generate around the Premier League draws rich men looking for the prestige of fancy toys (what do you get for the man who has everything?); while the huge TV revenues it funnels into clubs has drawn the attention of the profit driven business establishment. In H&G, Liverpool were saddled with the latter, while some of the teams below us were receiving the benefits of the former.

      Now we are told there is a third option, a group of rich (presumably) men who live for the thrill of sporting immortality. For Henry it seems like the draw of owning Liverpool is for FSG to recreate the circumstances of their tenure at the Boston Red Sox. By bringing a desperately sought after prize to a club and in doing so “break [the] curse” hanging over it Henry positions himself in the role of saviour. Had Liverpool won the league 2 seasons ago it seems unlikely that the appeal, or indeed price, of the club would have provided necessary temptation for an FSG bid. As thing currently stand, a man who promises the title fits quite nicely into a Liverpool fan’s expectations of a saviour.

      From the interview, and in fact all the interviews he’s given so far, we’ve learnt that he’s a man who, at the very least, knows the right things to say. That may sound obvious in this era of chairmen addressing fans as if at a shareholder’s meeting. Debates about long-term stability, business models and the growing of revenue streams are no longer restricted to accountants in the boardroom but regularly take place amongst fans in pubs and internet forums. Fans demand to know these finer points of club administration. Liverpool fans especially who have been stung once by owners who assured us of their business credentials only to learn the financial realities behind a leveraged buy-out.

      To Henry’s credit he has done well to layout the clubs future direction for the fans to scrutinise. The club will spend only what it generates which, unlike the business models of some other clubs, complies with the new UEFA restrictions from day one. Those of us hoping for short-term Sheikh style spending would be disappointed (presumably Torres would fall into this group). However those of us with more patience know that it won’t be long until a debt-free Liverpool with a legion of fans will out earn the clubs who have relied on billionaire sugar-daddies. An emphasis will be placed on the youth system under the obvious assumption that it costs less to produce a player than buy one. On that point it was good to see Henry’s observation that players brought through the youth system tend to have greater affection and loyalty to the club; suggesting that he sees players as more than mere assets but rather individuals with an important role in the local community.

      Overall John Henry comes across as a very clever man. His body language is always presenting a reserved, relaxed and thoughtful character that seems to understand the psychology of the Liverpool fanbase. A psychology which incorporates decades of achievement and expectation with the distasteful experiences wrought by our previous owners. Our new owners can only say the right thing if they know what we expect from them and considering this interview it is clear that FSG are at least listening to the fans. Only time will tell whether they become the saviours that they position themselves to be but I, for one, will be giving them the benefit of the doubt. So when John Henry says “you just gave me Goosebumps” as a reply to a question about Liverpool winning the Premier League I will believe him and take it as a sign that there is more than a desire for profit in this man’s heart.
      ok, some of what JWH says is going to be soundbites for us fans, but watching him, he does give the impression he really believes what he's saying about Liverpool and how he sees things progressing.

      Got nothing but a good feeling with FSG in charge, I just hope I am not proved wrong!

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        #48
        There's elements of Peter Robinson about him, always balancing the books, but releasings funds when available.

        I just wish he droped the 'franchise' word. It makes it sound like a chain of MacDonalds.

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          #49
          My favourite part of this was the fact he said they were originally a bit wary of buying the club after they had been signing players who weren't top four material.

          This shows they mean business and their focus is to make us a team challenging at the top. If they are prepared to make signings to compete at that level then that could only be great for us. Make's me look forward to see what we do in the summer

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            #50
            Originally posted by acdmackay View Post
            My favourite part of this was the fact he said they were originally a bit wary of buying the club after they had been signing players who weren't top four material.

            This shows they mean business and their focus is to make us a team challenging at the top. If they are prepared to make signings to compete at that level then that could only be great for us. Make's me look forward to see what we do in the summer
            I find that statement by JWH little bit confusing. If we will be looking to sign the players that should be playing for big top 4 clubs than obviously we will be looking for a quality and that does not come cheap.

            He also said that we will not be spending anything above the profits and profits cannot be that high especially as we missed out and look like we may miss out again on CL.

            If you tie that in with value for the money approach I am not so sure how will that all look like but I do feel optimistic.
            Member #1 of the Luis Suarez fan club

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              #51
              I love that when he asks what would it mean to deliver the title to Liverpool after 20 years and Henry says "You just gave me goosebumps. That's what we're there for. Excellent!
              'If Everton were playing at the bottom of the garden, I'd pull the curtains.' Shankly

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                #52
                Originally posted by Arn View Post
                The only problem with FSG as I see it is that they didn't had a plan ready in case they ended up as our owner. They should have had a plan for what to do with Roy, the transfer window and the stadium from day one. That they didn't had that could end up costing us fourth place. It probably cost us Torres.

                They didn't had time to sit down and learn about the club. They should have done that several months before they bought the club so they already knew what to do from day one. A new CEO should have been ready from day one.

                They have still not decided what to do with the stadium for example. They only now have maybe a month or two to decide on that because we must start working on that this summer. They should have had a plan ready for that from day one.
                If they had made decisions about all their plans for the club (and of course they had some plans - businesses don't shell out £300 million on a whim) before taking over then there would be people complaining they should take their time, not pre-judge things, get to know and understand the special nature of LFC, and so on.

                Basically they can't win with everyone. So I'm pretty happy they've got most things right (and when they haven't it's been more a matter of timing than anything) and they're taking the club in the right direction.
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                Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



                May the Lord bless this post.

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                  #53
                  it may be possible they had a plan but wanted to test it or sense check it when they took control. Everybuisness is different they may have found that certain things were different. it may be they were assessing to see if the people at the club were the right people to deliver the plan.

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                    #54
                    I still don't like the idea that they initially wanted to only clear half the debt and Purslow thinks/thought that they would'nt build a new stadium, something, judging by JH's soundbites he'll be proved right on.

                    I also find it a little bit odd, that many fans now feel apathetic to the idea of building a new stadium, considering the ****e h&g got for not being able to deliver what the majority seemingly believed the club needed most, the Stadium, and yet, a few softly spoken words from JH later, and many are now saying we don't need one.

                    It just seems that everything we worried about when needing new owners has happened anyway, we persuade Torres to stay through all that ****e, get new owners and off he go's, what did they tell him about the clubs future and the time it will take.

                    They are very very lucky they had Kenny to come in when he did, or things would be looking a whole lot worse now.

                    I'm still very nervous about our new owners, i'm not convinced they have what it takes.

                    JH comes across well though eh.
                    Last edited by Vermilion; 12-02-11, 12:05 PM.

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                      #55
                      Originally posted by Vermilion View Post

                      I also find it a little bit odd, that many fans now feel apathetic to the idea of building a new stadium, considering the ****e h&g got for not being able to deliver what the majority seemingly believed the club needed most, the Stadium, and yet, a few softly spoken words from JH later, and many are now saying we don't need one.
                      They got **** because they made a load of promises which turned out to be lies and wasted millions and millions of our money on plans etc which were never going to be put in to action.

                      You're possibly the most negative person I've ever come across. Theres no harm in being cautious but you are taking the piss a bit.

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by Chris View Post
                        They got **** because they made a load of promises which turned out to be lies and wasted millions and millions of our money on plans etc which were never going to be put in to action.

                        You're possibly the most negative person I've ever come across. Theres no harm in being cautious but you are taking the piss a bit.
                        That's your opinion and your welcome to it, you don't know me so it matters not.

                        But negative is not what i am.

                        I'm yet to be convinced is all, and i'm frankly amazed at how many fans now seem happy with not building a new stadium, considering the fuss we all made about it..

                        I'm actually staggered at your negativity towards my caution tbh, and being confident all will be well under nesv without anyone sounding the odd note of caution is more taking the piss imo, considering what we've been through as a club.
                        Last edited by Vermilion; 12-02-11, 12:31 PM.

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                          #57
                          Originally posted by Vermilion View Post
                          I still don't like the idea that they initially wanted to only clear half the debt and Purslow thinks/thought that they would'nt build a new stadium, something, judging by JH's soundbites he'll be proved right on.

                          I also find it a little bit odd, that many fans now feel apathetic to the idea of building a new stadium, considering the ****e h&g got for not being able to deliver what the majority seemingly believed the club needed most, the Stadium, and yet, a few softly spoken words from JH later, and many are now saying we don't need one.

                          It just seems that everything we worried about when needing new owners has happened anyway, we persuade Torres to stay through all that ****e, get new owners and off he go's, what did they tell him about the clubs future and the time it will take.

                          They are very very lucky they had Kenny to come in when he did, or things would be looking a whole lot worse now.

                          I'm still very nervous about our new owners, i'm not convinced they have what it takes.

                          JH comes across well though eh.
                          If we had sold Torres under the previous owenership,how much of the money would have been reinvested straight back in the team like these guys have done.They could have just banked it,bought in Suarez and although most of us would have been gutted,we would have probably accepted that Torres wanted to leave and the timing was impossible for us to replace him.

                          They acted really swiftly,paid probably £10 to 15m more for Carroll than he was probably worth but the point is they put there money where it was needed and appeased the fans and ultimately made us stronger.

                          The summer will obviously tell us a bit more about them because the reality is they havn't spent anything but they didn't just take the money and sit on it like they probably could have done.

                          Dalglish has also gone on record and said that they were dissapointed that we wasn't able to do some more business.
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                          'Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple.'

                          Bill Shankly.

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                            #58
                            Originally posted by Vermilion View Post
                            That's your opinion and your welcome to it, you don't know me so it matters not.

                            But negative is not what i am.

                            I'm yet to be convinced is all, and i'm frankly amazed at how many fans now seem happy with not building a new stadium, considering the fuss we all made about it..

                            I'm actually staggered at your negativity towards my caution tbh, and being confident all will be well under nesv without anyone sounding the odd note of caution is more taking the piss imo, considering what we've been through as a club.
                            I have to say that I agree. They are saying for the most part all the right things but what they have done thus far was pretty much expected, to say at least.

                            They had no choice but to approach Kenny (I still think they waited too long and that in the process possibly cost us Nando) and the money from the sale had to be reinvested in the squad or otherwise keeping the status quo could potentially lead to missing out on any European competition, which ultimately could affect who we could attract in the summer time and in the process affect their long term investment.

                            I am not so sure that I buy into their "Anfield=Magic" story cause I believe that it would be more beneficial for the club and the local community in the long run to build the new stadium but I do realize that any stadium plan is better than what we have now.

                            Yes they have been in charge only since October and you cannot blame them for being businessmen first and foremost but I too am very cautiously optimistic about our prospects under their leadership as we have been burned before.

                            Summer squad straightening and the final decision on the stadium building will be the indication who our new owners are.

                            I can only hope they'll come through with flying colours.
                            Member #1 of the Luis Suarez fan club

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                              #59
                              Agreed about the cautious approach.

                              But it is also caution from the owners - they do not want to jump into quick decisions and committments and we need to be patient with them. I really like JWH ad have a lot of time for him... I believe in what he says and I believe he is sincere in what he says which is the most imprtant thing for me.

                              I also think that now the January transfer window is over, we need to just let the owners get on with the job in hand and try to be patient. They are here to make us win the PL, as JWH said that is the only agenda they have and that is all I wanted to hear from him tbh.

                              The stadium issue is concerning but again I think we are going to have to just trust JWH on this as well. He genuinely seems to be a man of his word and I think he will succeed here. Lets not hound them and focus on supporting the team as best we can between now and the end of the season.
                              "Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley

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                                #60
                                And also,when we do win the premiership,how satisfying will it be without the sugar daddy approach.
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                                'Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple.'

                                Bill Shankly.

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