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  • Craig_H
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    Originally posted by The Erectile Banana View Post
    That's harsh.

    They wanted to be fair when they came, took a step back and gave Roy time to prove himself. You can't blame them for that.

    Granted, they could have sacked him 2 or 3 games before they did but I'm not sure it would have made a huge difference.

    Instead of sniping at the owners we should be reflect on how far the club has come in the last twelve months. We're in much better shape under FSG then we've been for a long time and with the noises they've been making there's a lot more to come from them.
    Between them coming in and Hodgson being ditched, we played 13 PL games, in which we dropped 20 points. Now i'm not saying Kenny would've won all the games in that period, but considering some of those 20 points dropped went courtesy of defeats at home to Wolves, away at Blackburn, Stoke, Everton and Newcastle, plus drawing at lowly Wigan, i think it's fair to say that bringing Kenny in immediately would've had us in the top 4 right now.

    And they were new owners, they hadnt appointed Hodgson so that was the perfect easy excuse to sack him.

    I'm not saying we should dwell on it, but they made a poor decision in sticking with Hodgson for so long and had they done better with that decision, we'd be playing CL football next year.

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  • Fosterbloke
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    Originally posted by Arn View Post
    I and many others said already back in November that FSG should have sacked Roy. They waited to long time and it cost us a CL place.

    Sometimes you must make tough decisions straight away and be tough enough to do it.

    FSG can't blame anyone else than themselves for missing out on a CL place.
    Hindsight is a wonderful thing...

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  • DannyMan2006
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    Originally posted by The Erectile Banana View Post
    Perhaps so. The real blame lies at the door of the previous owners though.

    FSG have done a lot of good since they've bought the club. We can't blame our lack of a CL place on them.
    The blame can be layed at the door of many a person mate, mistake after mistake is why we are where we are, or were, should I say.

    I just think FSG should have gambled sooner and I said it at the time, just like as Arn points out, many others did. But that's the past and there's nothing we can do to change things.

    I always said I would judge FSG on who we start with come Septmber 1st 2011 and I'll not be changing my mind on that. Who they get as manager and who they sign as players will dictate how far we have come.

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  • Craig_H
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    Originally posted by DannyMan2006 View Post


    I can see why they took their time, but I was livid at the time because I knew it was costing us big time. Quite clearly they weren't sold on Kenny and only turned to him after it became a big posibility we were serious candidates for relegation under Roy, though I do think we would have ambled in around midtable had he stayed.
    I remember you and i, among others, kept saying it, one dismal result after the next. And they still waited.

    And their doubts, IMO, were all about what's happening now - Kenny once again being the hero of the Kop and being nigh-on impossible to shift. I dont think FSG wanted to end up in such a powerless position.

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  • The Erectile Banana
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    Originally posted by DannyMan2006 View Post
    They ****ed up mate, pure and simple.

    But we ARE moving in the right direction now. And that's the main thing.
    Perhaps so. The real blame lies at the door of the previous owners though.

    FSG have done a lot of good since they've bought the club. We can't blame our lack of a CL place on them.

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  • Craig_H
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    Originally posted by Arn View Post
    No they can't. They had the power to sack him. It is their responsibility to make tough decisions when they need to do it.

    It doesn't matter if they owned the club a week or five years. They should have been up to date about everything from day one. It is their responsibility to be that.
    Once in a lifetime, certain things happen and we're lucky to have witnessed them, because not many do.

    Well here is one of those moments.....i agree with you.

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  • RedReet
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    That match was probably as satisfying as the United game, so many positives.

    Every player bar none played well.

    Flanagan performed well above expectations.

    Reina showed signs of geting back to his best.

    Carroll ended the pressure of looking for his first goal.

    Kuyt once again proved he is far from finished.

    Spearing continues to build on recent good form.

    Even Skrtel looked calm and composed at the back and played well alongside Carra.

    Excellent performance (what price were we?) and even if we get duffed next by Arsenal then it wont be as deflating as recent defeats to **** teams after big wins.

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  • Daniel 7
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    Still no confirmation on who the manager is going to be next season though.

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  • Lecter
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    Originally posted by Arn View Post
    Players like Darby and a few of our other youngsters never really got a fair chance to develop in the right way because of the mess in the Academy.

    Now we have a youth team set up that know how to develop youngsters in the right way. Darby would most probably been a much better player if he had worked together with Segura and Borrell.

    That is why we shouldn't be afraid to give them a chance. Having Segura and Borrell means that our youngsters will be ready when we need them.

    The key is not playing to many of them at the same time but they will be ready and they will deliver if we need them. They will be mentally ready because of Segura and Borrell.

    Our youngsters now shows time after time how mentally tough they are.
    Darby wasnt good enough, wrong mentality

    Flanagan is very different, hes very ****ing aggressive and has that fighting spirit - that counts for an awful lot

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  • DannyMan2006
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    Originally posted by The Erectile Banana View Post
    That's harsh.

    They wanted to be fair when they came, took a step back and gave Roy time to prove himself. You can't blame them for that.

    Granted, they could have sacked him 2 or 3 games before they did but I'm not sure it would have made a huge difference.

    Instead of sniping at the owners we should be reflect on how far the club has come in the last twelve months. We're in much better shape under FSG then we've been for a long time and with the noises they've been making there's a lot more to come from them.
    They ****ed up mate, pure and simple.

    But we ARE moving in the right direction now. And that's the main thing.

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  • The Erectile Banana
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    Originally posted by Arn View Post
    I and many others said already back in November that FSG should have sacked Roy. They waited to long time and it cost us a CL place.

    Sometimes you must make tough decisions straight away and be tough enough to do it.

    FSG can't blame anyone else than themselves for missing out on a CL place.
    That's harsh.

    They wanted to be fair when they came, took a step back and gave Roy time to prove himself. You can't blame them for that.

    Granted, they could have sacked him 2 or 3 games before they did but I'm not sure it would have made a huge difference.

    Instead of sniping at the owners we should be reflect on how far the club has come in the last twelve months. We're in much better shape under FSG then we've been for a long time and with the noises they've been making there's a lot more to come from them.

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  • Fredo
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    Just finished work, missed the match.

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  • DannyMan2006
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    Originally posted by Arn View Post
    I and many others said already back in November that FSG should have sacked Roy. They waited to long time and it cost us a CL place.

    Sometimes you must make tough decisions straight away and be tough enough to do it.

    FSG can't blame anyone else than themselves for missing out on a CL place.


    I can see why they took their time, but I was livid at the time because I knew it was costing us big time. Quite clearly they weren't sold on Kenny and only turned to him after it became a big posibility we were serious candidates for relegation under Roy, though I do think we would have ambled in around midtable had he stayed.

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  • Arn
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    Originally posted by PC Plod View Post
    Well Arn, they can blame Bodger.
    No they can't. They had the power to sack him. It is their responsibility to make tough decisions when they need to do it.

    It doesn't matter if they owned the club a week or five years. They should have been up to date about everything from day one. It is their responsibility to be that.

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  • Exiled_red
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    Originally posted by Arn View Post
    Unbelievable that Agger was benched and Konchesky played even when Aurelio was fit.
    Unbelievable that Agger was dropped and Konchesky was signed

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