Arsenal POST Match Thread

[fidget]

I am not sure that he did.

Where did you hear that?

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[Craig_H]

He had some good games under Roy in the Europa League. He's done okay in some games. I wouldn't say he's had a really bad game, just very average. Generally when you make a sub you want someone to come in and have a positive effect on the game.

He had some joy today on the right and could have had a tap in as well had Suarez squared it.

He wouldnt have scored though

[DannyMan2006]

It's easier to produce defensive players than attacking/creative ones.

There are an equal number of attacking players to defensive players in the game really, so I don't buy that.

I just in general think there is too much pressure on young attacking players. If a kid comes into a generally defensive position and has a steady game, everyone raves about it. If an attacking player has a steady game everyone wonders why they haven't scored a thirty yarder.

Most kids have to go out on loan so if they don't set the world on fire they can deal with it a bit better.

[DannyMan2006]

He wouldnt have scored though

It appears that most Liverpool fans have to be having a go at someone. I bet if he was a scouser there'd be a lot less slagging off. Give the young lad a break is what I say and watch and see if he makes it.

He represents England at his age group so he's hardly ****ing ****e.

[Neil Young]

Watching the Arsenal penalty again, I don't think I've ever seen Reina go the wrong way like that before. When he was saving penalties regularly he always seemed to wait and react to the shot (and said as much in interviews too). Perhaps he's changing his method because it hasn't been as successful recently.

Anyway, back to the game:

[Craig_H]

There are an equal number of attacking players to defensive players in the game really, so I don't buy that.

I just in general think there is too much pressure on young attacking players. If a kid comes into a generally defensive position and has a steady game, everyone raves about it. If an attacking player has a steady game everyone wonders why they haven't scored a thirty yarder.

Most kids have to go out on loan so if they don't set the world on fire they can deal with it a bit better.

I think the goalscoring/creative side of the game is simply harder than the defensive side. So to make it through the academy and then also at the higher levels of the game, as an attacking player, takes more than to do so as a defensive one.

Also, defending is most often done (and most effectively done) as a unit, so there's less pressure on a younger player, meaning it's easier to bring them through and give them a chance. For a striker or even creative player, there's more onus on producing a bit of individuality to score or create a goal, so the pressure is far greater and it's much harder to take the risk with a kid who's an attacker, than one who is a defender. Hence we bring through more kids who are defenders, than attackers.

[Craig_H]

It appears that most Liverpool fans have to be having a go at someone. I bet if he was a scouser there'd be a lot less slagging off. Give the young lad a break is what I say and watch and see if he makes it.

He represents England at his age group so he's hardly ****ing ****e.

Not having a go at the lad - i just think he was poor today, his decision-making was way off (too much faffing about with it, instead of just putting it into the box, etc) and he's clearly not a wide player.

Maxi would've been the better option to bring on, IMO.

Not slagging off Shelvey thougn, i just dont think he's at the level we need yet.

And when i said he wouldnt have scored - i meant more because it wasnt THAT straightforward a chance as might have seemed. It wasnt really a 'tap-in' and it wasnt only a couple of yards out either.

[Fredo]

Watching the Arsenal penalty again, I don't think I've ever seen Reina go the wrong way like that before. When he was saving penalties regularly he always seemed to wait and react to the shot (and said as much in interviews too). Perhaps he's changing his method because it hasn't been as successful recently.

I think Pepe benefited a lot from Rafa's statistics on regular penalty takers. Seen Rafa being interviewed last week and he said he hold records on how most players take penalties.

[Kenneth]

Just watched it again on MOTD2 that wasn't a pen Crazy game and all due respect to Kenny. The way he dealt with the Carragher injury and the way he dealt with Wenger was just perfect.

[Rowan]

Not having a go at the lad - i just think he was poor today, his decision-making was way off (too much faffing about with it, instead of just putting it into the box, etc) and he's clearly not a wide player.

Maxi would've been the better option to bring on, IMO.

Not slagging off Shelvey thougn, i just dont think he's at the level we need yet.

And when i said he wouldnt have scored - i meant more because it wasnt THAT straightforward a chance as might have seemed. It wasnt really a 'tap-in' and it wasnt only a couple of yards out either.

I'm a bit more straightforward really. I'm just not sure what he's good at? He obviously excels at something. No idea what it is

I'm sure it'll all become clear as he develops.

[Neil Young]

I think the goalscoring/creative side of the game is simply harder than the defensive side. So to make it through the academy and then also at the higher levels of the game, as an attacking player, takes more than to do so as a defensive one.

Also, defending is most often done (and most effectively done) as a unit, so there's less pressure on a younger player, meaning it's easier to bring them through and give them a chance. For a striker or even creative player, there's more onus on producing a bit of individuality to score or create a goal, so the pressure is far greater and it's much harder to take the risk with a kid who's an attacker, than one who is a defender. Hence we bring through more kids who are defenders, than attackers.

I'm not sure. There's a good argument that defending requires experience so it's actually harder for a young player to come through. An attacker just needs something a bit different, some individual flair, so you can chuck them in and see what they can do.

I think the weakness in Danny's argument is the assumption there's an equal number of attackers and defenders. I don't think that's right.

[DannyMan2006]

I think the goalscoring/creative side of the game is simply harder than the defensive side. So to make it through the academy and then also at the higher levels of the game, as an attacking player, takes more than to do so as a defensive one.

Also, defending is most often done (and most effectively done) as a unit, so there's less pressure on a younger player, meaning it's easier to bring them through and give them a chance. For a striker or even creative player, there's more onus on producing a bit of individuality to score or create a goal, so the pressure is far greater and it's much harder to take the risk with a kid who's an attacker, than one who is a defender. Hence we bring through more kids who are defenders, than attackers.

In all fairness, I see why you are saying that, but it's complete rubbish. There are plenty of attacking players in world football, so it's not like there is a shortage due to difficulty in producing them.

And we are only suddenly bringing through defensive players because of injuries there. I'm sure if we had mass injuries up front we'd see young sterling get a game, or Dani Pacheco would still have been here.

[Molby]

Just watched it again on MOTD2 that was never a pen Crazy game and all due respect to Kenny. The way he dealt with the Carragher injury and the way he dealt with Wenger was just perfect.

The little word he had with Flannagan was just top class. He knew that Carra was Flanagan's mentor for the City game and, up to this point, in this game as well.

The lad could've gone to pieces at that stage, who better than the King to settle you down?

Top Class - We are so lucky to have the King

[Neil Young]

I see why you are saying that, but it's complete rubbish.

You're the woman off ChelseaTV and Craig is Martin Lipton.

[DannyMan2006]

I'm not sure. There's a good argument that defending requires experience so it's actually harder for a young player to come through. An attacker just needs something a bit different, some individual flair, so you can chuck them in and see what they can do.

I think the weakness in Danny's argument is the assumption there's an equal number of attackers and defenders. I don't think that's right.

I thought of that, but some midfield players would be classed as attacking ones. Generally the two strikers and two wide players would be seen as attacking, that's four out of ten outfield players straight away. Plus one of two CM's tend to be more attacking.