Luis Suárez

[Gibbo]

I'm torn on the one hand i can see where fsg are coming from after being burnt on the Carroll and downing transfers but not for a second do i think two American baseball fans and Ian Ayre know the value of a player more than Brendan Rodgers but they own the club so their word is final.

Mate, in fairness it's their money. If they don't want to spend more than what they feel is worth on a player they shouldn't have to. and rightly so.

[Leyton388]

Mate, in fairness it's their money. If they don't want to spend more than what they feel is worth on a player they shouldn't have to. and rightly so.

Which is how i sort of see it. Like i said i can see where they are coming from after the money wasted in the past.

[Ams12]

I think theres a fine line between spending huge amounts on a player & paying a few extra million to get a deal done. It's a pretty tough situation for BR at the moment due to possibly the unsuccessfulness of the Carroll/downing deals.
Like i've said before once we have settled into a playing style & improve our consistency then it will be easier to complete these types of deals. The position we are in now IMO presents a bit more of a risk with the fees being mentioned. If we do well up till the next window (as i believe rodgers/fsg are doing well with their plan & making progression, in terms of playing style & club finances/operations) then those signings may be seen as a slightly lower risk to complete & will help us go to the next step.
It is frustrating right now though as any fan would love to see their club bring in quality players...especially with the changes to managers this season & with the potential to catch up/close the gap with other teams.

Lets see what happens in these last 10 days of the current window then re-evaluate our chances for a strong campaign considering all factors.

[dom9]

I thought your grammar was quite good in that sentence actually.

I'm sure you meant that as a compliment.

Only that Dom didn't refer to his spelling/grammar, nor was he attacking him personally. It was a general comment about the pointless nature of football discussions.

[Leyton388]

Hardly.

I'm just saying that it's all about opinions and none of us have a clue. It's not that difficult to understand, surely?

Apologies.

[dom9]

Apologies.

Not a problem.

[Slinky Skills]

Only that Dom didn't refer to his spelling/grammar, nor was he attacking him personally. It was a general comment about the pointless nature of football discussions.

I'm sure you meant that as a compliment.

Oh.

[Mello]

Hardly.

I'm just saying that it's all about opinions and none of us have a clue. It's not that difficult to understand, surely?

No, but if that's the issue we might as well shut down every football forum out there, because 99% of it is people that don't have a clue arguing opinions.

I'm one of those clueless as well, but I also don't like getting outbid by rivals constantly. We have to get 4th to be able to retain the players we bring in that actually do well, to bring in more money, and to be able to attract higher caliber players that can significantly improve the squad.

I get that FSG have been burned badly by the Carroll transfer. And to a lesser extent Downing and Henderson. I do fear they are going too far in the opposite direction though. The money sitting in the bank doesn't score goals or defend set pieces.

If we have identified players that they really think will push us to compete for fourth, I don't see why overspending by £10m or even more is a bad choice. If we get 4th, that money will be more than made up from the CL revenue and the ability to retain players they've invested in. If we don't, we're in the same place we would have been anyway minus that relatively small loss in the overall scheme of things. I don't think we're anywhere close to hitting the FFP limits.

[Fernandinho]

Not for est's Fernandinho hopefully.

Good god I hope not.

Either way I can't be arsed to wait any longer. I want CL football next season

[Darkon]

I hate how the possibility of success for many fans now seems to only be linked to the winning of an insane and destructive financial arms race, one we cannot possibly win in the end. Doing it through hard work, team building and sustainable growth doesn't even seem to be accepted as a possibility any more.

People are getting so defeatist and negative about a situation which isn't even new, we've been financially overpowered by the likes of Chelsea and Utd for many years now. Its not like football will end and all chance of ever being successful again will evaporate if we don't spend big in the next week. And perhaps if we'd used our resources more wisely over the last decade or two we would be in a very different position today.

But hey, even if everyone else is depressed I still think we can go on to have a good season. At least we're not Coventry fans eh?

This, all this

[Norbs]

Right on man.



Look I know my post was a tad OTT and I'm not doing it to create a reaction but it's killing me seeing us miss out on players for the sake of a few million, that's what's frustrating me.

I appreciate others point of view that we're going about it the sensible way which long term may prove right but we've been lagging behind for too long. Missing out on target after target to Spurs (no disrespect to them btw) as they are a very good team is hard to take and struggling year upon year to get to 4th only to end up in 5th, 6th or 7th behind our neighbours who are slowly overtaking us is quite frankly a joke and deeply depressing.

There are people not just on here who have a more positive outlook on things and believe we will be ok but I don't. My heart tells me we won't and for that reason I let out how I feel I'm sorry. We've been struggling for years.

If I don't feel good about the way things are and the way we are heading then I can't hold that in. I don't want to go the rest of my **** life struggling to get a European place worrying about my team and where we're going to end up, my life is already wank the way it is. I want us to be winning, week after ****ing week pummeling teams not going into the weekend pooing my pants worrying that we're going to concede or lose against some wank opposition.

We're the greatest team on the planet and that's not from a biased point of view but we are. Liverpool football club is an institution built on success and self belief for those around you, it's not just 11 full kit ******s kicking a ball around it encompasses everyone, every single one of us as fans, our friends and family and dictates our lives and it does as we're all on here every ****ing day and most of us are miserable cunts because of the state the club is in, I am.

Thing is though Slinks that it's not a few million but a few more million. Where does the line between paying a fair price, and being forced to overpay, lie?

[Norbs]

Only that Dom didn't refer to his spelling/grammar, nor was he attacking him personally. It was a general comment about the pointless nature of football discussions.

It looked that way though, seeing that he quoted Leyton's grammar free post in his reply

[Vermilion]

Thing is though Slinks that it's not a few million but a few more million. Where does the line between paying a fair price, and being forced to overpay, lie?

I think it's about how much the manager rates the player, how much he needs and wants the player, if he thinks he's worth paying the extra for, as Spurs and Chavski seem too with this one, then i'd be fine with paying a tad over now and then.

But it has to be on a player by player basis surely, you can't overpay for every one.

edit: ok, thought i was in the Willian thread.

[Norbs]

I think it's about how much the manager rates the player, how much he needs and wants the player, if he thinks he's worth paying the extra for, as Spurs and Chavski seem too with this one, then i'd be fine with paying a tad over now and then.

But it has to be on a player by player basis surely, you can't overpay for every one.

Totally, but the argument made earlier in the thread about not having any money is clearly wrong. We have £30m to spend and we know this because we've tried to spend it a few times recently. I think we're taking the approach where the club need to feel it's getting a good deal as opposed to us making a statement by spending big

[dom9]

It looked that way though, seeing that he quoted Leyton's grammar free post in his reply

Huh? There wasn't much wrong with Leyton's post at all. It was a general point.