Luis Suárez

[Leyton388]

The little ****bag waited for the club to be out the country before he went crying to the press.

[kingfunk]

Or Tough ****ing **** Luis.

[Sarb]

i'd suspect we'd see something like this - coutinho in the front three and allen or henderson given a chance

however i'd really be hoping we sign a striker to replace Suarcunt

---------------------mignolet--------------------

Johnson-----------skrtel----agger------------enrique

--------------------lucas-----gerrard-----------
----------------------henderson-----------

Aspas------------------Sturridge-------------Coutinho

back up

-----------------------Jones----------------------

kelly-------------wisdom-------toure----------????

-------------------Allen-------???
---------------------Alberto----------------

Sterling-------------Borini---------------Ibe


Not included downing as it appears we want rid of him as well

i'd say we still need -

Left back
Top replacement for Suarez
Centre mid

And i'd be happy - should be achievable imo, esp if we get £40m for Cuntez and we have any other funds (ie the £20m we had for Mkityaran)

only other move would be an upgrade on Skrtel but for me it's not a priority

What about Coutinho dropping into the advanced midfielder position. He's done quite well central in pre-season and popped up there a few times. Costa to come in plus another forward to replace Suarez

If Skrtel goes and we get Papa, I think we'll have a side capable of challenging for Top 4, even without Luis

[spider-neil]

@ThoseScouseLads: Liverpool's stance this lunchtime is still unchanged. Luis Suarez is not for sale. (Sky Sports)

[Sarb]

The little ****bag waited for the club to be out the country before he went crying to the press.

He actually pulled out of flying saying he was injured, and looks like he went and gave an interview to Sid Lowe instead

The guy is just gutless

[ChesterDave]

If he wants to go to arbitration over an undocumented agreement then the club should absolutely stick it to him that this is a transfer request.

His request to leave interview says it is not about the cash so stick it to him on that a minimise our costs on this.

[dom9]

He actually pulled out of flying saying he was injured, and looks like he went and gave an interview to Sid Lowe instead

The guy is just gutless

His ruthless behaviour would indicate otherwise methinks.

[Gibbo]

Tevez came back from worse than this.

[poorscousertommy]

Tevez came back from worse than this.

I just mentioned this fact in work.

Can't see it myself though.

[Sarb]

Nailed by Maddock (of all people)

Spoilt man-child Luis Suarez has shown disrespect to Brendan Rodgers... and shouldn't be touched with a barge pole
7 Aug 2013 12:26 David Maddock says football fans should empathise with the anger the Liverpool boss must feel following the striker's betrayal and insists Arsene Wenger should say well clear


Spoilt: Luis Suarez is driving his way out of Anfield

Julian Hamilton / Daily Mirror
Rarely are you inclined to offer sympathy towards anyone successful in the ruthless world of football, given the rhino-hide skin required to achieve it.

Yet if sympathy isn't the right response for the position Brendan Rodgers finds himself in this morning, then you can at least empathise with the anger, frustration and hurt the Liverpool manager must be feeling right now.

Luis Suarez's comments yesterday went beyond the usual cynical utterances we are all wearily accustomed to, as footballers play their idiotic games to ensure they can grasp the object of their latest desire - which is almost always yet more money, as though they haven't already got enough of it.

The South American's toddler tantrum attacks were personal, accusing his manager of amongst other thing, "lying"...which is pretty rich coming from a man who was found by an FA disciplinary to have seriously distorted the truth with inconsistencies whilst offering testimony against racism charges.

We can go into the rights of wrongs of what Suarez is doing to force himself out of Anfield, but really, what is the point? He is a spoilt man-child, no doubt indulged to the point of never having to face adult responsibility so of course he is going to temper tantrum his way towards what he wants.

And Liverpool must have surely known that was what they were getting when they signed him from Ajax. He had gone on strike to force a move to the Dutch club (after mistakenly believing his contract had allowed him a transfer, it is important to note).

He arrived at Anfield in the middle of a ban for biting an opponent , suggesting he wanted to move to England because he felt unjustly vilified back in Holland. It is easy now to join the dots, but let's face it they were plenty big enough back then to identify without reading glasses.


Final appearance? Luis Suarez may not turn out for Liverpool again

Clive Brunskill


So Liverpool must have known this was coming, the moment the Uruguayan opened his mouth at the end of the last season, to suggest he needed to get away from England because he was, wait for it,...sick of being unjustly persecuted. Though of course, those particular goalposts have changed, and Arsenal's large contract offer seems miraculously to have eased the poor lamb's hurt feelings.

They probably deserve much of what they get as well, because they knowingly signed a man with such a checkered past, and such a potentially explosive future (and he didn't disappoint in that regard, did he?), and then kept him when all logic suggested he was toxic waste that needed to be disposed of.

Rodgers though, wasn't the manager who bought him, nor was he the manager who so sadly put his wonderful reputation on the line to defend the indefensible when Suarez took football to new depths with his ugly, primeval racism against Patrice Evra.

He was simply a manager who took a tainted footballer, worked with the flawed raw materials he inherited, and turned him into a much better player (even if he clearly couldn't turn him into a much better man).

Perhaps the single biggest reason you have to feel a certain loathing for Suarez is derived from this point. He was a talented player when he came to Anfield, and before Rodgers arrived, he had a good record.

It wasn't a great one though, because he missed a helluva lot of chances for a top player - and the fact he seemed to need six or seven openings for every goal perhaps kept him outside the truly top class bracket.

Without doubt, that changed last season, as a mere glimpse at his stats shows irrefutably. He scored 29 goals in 41 games - a world class strike rate. Why? Well, his manager created a system tailored around the striker's assets, instead of asking him to work around a system that wasn't.

The system introduced by Rodgers created as many chances for Suarez, but in different areas, asking him to utilise different skills and techniques in taking them...and no longer was he so profligate.


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It may seem bizarre to a layman, but Suarez is not suited to trying instinctively to convert knock-downs. He is no Robbie Fowler, he is not a natural born finisher. So Andy Carroll was jettisoned - despite the obvious embarrassment to the club, because of the ridiculous price they paid - and the ball was offered to the South American in different parts of the penalty area, and in different ways.

You can't argue: it worked, he had his best ever season...by a mile. Suarez has gone from being very good to world class; last season his status rocketed to join the elite of international football and was rightly mentioned in the same breath as Bale, Van Persie and even Messi and and Ronaldo.

Of course, his earning potential has rocketed commensurately too, which is why Arsenal are prepared to pay him £150,000 a week-plus to desert the Anfield ship like a scuttling rat that senses looming rocks.

Those who believe Suarez owes Rodgers and Liverpool some loyalty for improving him, for elevating him towards a whole new world of earning potential, clearly don't understand the mercenary nature of football. There is no loyalty - on either side - just tunnel-vision self-interest (again on both sides).

But surely Rodgers DOES deserve just a little respect for the part he has played in giving Suarez the platform to attract not just clubs like Arsenal, but also Real Madrid. His part in earning him a pay rise that will no doubt earn the South American tens of extra millions.

And he doesn't deserve the tirade that came from the player's lips yesterday, comments and insinuations which reveal the striker as bordering on the despicable.

It shouldn't really surprise anyone though. Football had stooped this low a long time ago, and merely continues to scrape along the bottom in a subterranean world deprived of moral oxygen.

Perhaps though, it should serve to give Arsene Wenger the merest pause for thought, as he encourages the striker to aim his tiresome barbs at a decent football club in Liverpool, and a decent football man in Rodgers.

Does Wenger really think he can change Suarez? Does he really believe the forward won't do exactly the same in a year's time if Real Madrid come calling?

When Suarez picks up his near obligatory lengthy ban towards the end of next season to cost Arsenal any chance of a top four finish, does he really think this immoral tart of a footballer won't lift up his skirts and flash at any passing lust-filled club whose blood is coursing with a desire to win that offsets all logic?

Does he seriously believe the player will thank him for investing so much time, effort, money and the last shreds of any dignity in the unholy pursuit of his signature, that contradicts everything both club and manager stand for?

Wenger is rare in football in that he's an intelligent man who appears to have a wider world view, and so deep down he will know the indelible truth about Luis Suarez...he shouldn't be touched with a barge pole.



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[Sarb]

His ruthless behaviour would indicate otherwise methinks.

Yeah you call it ruthless, I call it gutless.

[Neil Young]

Can we all slate Neil now for about 5 pages. We know he won't want to check back

If there were (verbal) discussions about the contract, if both parties go away with different opinions as to what was agreed then a contract doesn't get signed until both parties have checked it and are happy with what it says. If one party believes that the contract doesn't represent what they believe was agreed surely the negotiations continue. It seems that this area would have been one of the key negotiating points from Suarez' team so you would have to assume that they would have checked over this part of the contract in detail with their lawyers to ensure it clearly represented what had been agreed.

If something such as this was agreed verbally at a later date surely Suarez team have to insist on an addendum being made to the contract.

And while contract disputes do end up in court surely as a football agent and lawyer they must have seen both these types of clauses before and be aware of the implications and the differences between the two. I personally think that the problem arises from one of three situations: either Suarez' agent/legal team didn't check the contract properly, an agreement was made but not added to the contract or no agreement was reached and they are just trying to find a way out.

There's another alternative: the contract didn't spell out in detail exactly what would happen in the precise circumstances we now have. That's what 99% of contract disputes are about.

It's about interpretation and that's where discussions are relevant...

This guy is a sports lawyer.

...even if those discussions themselves are precluded from being ruled on if it ends up in court. The same arguments can still be made if there are any grey areas and it's up to the judge to interpret the relevant written clauses as they see fit.

I agree MrM. Of course people are entitled to their opinions, but for some (not accusing anyone in particular on this forum) it seems par for the course to criticise and doubt the club and even now some are sticking up for Suarez.

One of the main gripes, like you say is with this so-called gentleman's agreement, he was coming off a suspension for racism (not getting into whether it was right or wrong) plus another suspension for giving the bird to Fulham fans. As part of this new contract his wages were close to doubled (may even have exceeded it). The club were well within their rights to sack him off for his antics. I'm not sure who he is to rock into a contract negotiations and demand he be allowed to leave if we don't make the CL. He wasn't on very firm ground as it was.

In Jan/Feb and even April he said he was going to stay this coming season and it wasn't an issue not being in the CL. He goes home, gives an interview about how he took a picture in Manchester and his wife told him that they were doing biting gestures, how it was the Press' fault and he wanted to leave the country because of it. He flirted with Real Madrid for a couple of weeks and then when they didn't come calling, all of a sudden he didn't have an issue with the press, it was all about being in the CL now (which wasn't an issue a few months prior). He goes even further, by pulling out of a friendly and then going to the papers who allegedly made his life a misery

Everything he has done since the Ivanovic incident has been aimed at reducing his value. He knows his clause isn't worth the paper it's written on. Arsenal can carry on coming out with "We aren't increasing our bid past £40,000,001". They won't get him at that price and Suarez knows it. He wanted out so badly, he could have done all this weeks ago. Then he has the audacity to say if we don't grant his wish, he'll hand in a transfer request by the end of the week. He feels he deserves a loyalty bonus?

He is a compulsive bull**** artist. And I feel for people who still actually believe the stuff he comes out with and came out with yesterday. He looks to get his way out of clubs at reduced values and it is all he is doing now.

I was thinking over my comment that getting emotional about it was "silly" and that it doesn't accurately convey what I meant. In your case however...

I don't think that people caring and responding emotionally to the situation makes them at all "silly" but I do think how we feel about this tends to get in the way of working out what's happening. For instance, you can call Suárez "a compulsive bull**** artist" but I'm sure the same charge could be levelled at the club, as it often is on different matters. And it's also as true for all the other managers and all the other clubs and probably all the other players too, if only we were close enough and emotionally invested enough to care about what they say.

That's not defending Suárez or attacking the club. I hope the club "wins" this battle. But it's just a statement of what I believe is really happening, when you take away how we feel about it and what we would like to believe as a result.

[Bender]

City Talk 105.9 @CityTalk1059 5m
SPORT - Gordon Taylor tells us the PFA "need to clarify" the Suarez situation and how his contact can be interpreted by #Liverpool #LFC

[Neil Young]

The little ****bag waited for the club to be out the country before he went crying to the press.

What does that even mean? The club is still in Liverpool.

[Alex]

Just chatting to my boss and he took someone to court (and won) for reneging on a verbal agreement about 15 years ago. Granted it was in Ireland so courts work differently.


But I guess these things have been done in the past.